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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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JGar Rooflestein
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3401 - 2015-02-08 22:26:37 UTC
Its almost how im set up.
When the change came I was pissed and upset as i broadcasted my inputs. Now realized its not as bad as people make out. Yes its a bit of extra work and i have to pay attention now. Just happy they allow input broadcast while logging in and setting up windows. Also allowing us to still use the dxnothing fx setups.

-JGar "Great man once said nothing."
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3402 - 2015-02-09 05:30:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Kaphrah wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Kaphrah wrote:

nicely done, so could maybe some ccp official state if stuff like this is fine if done very fast?

That is very amazing. Verisimilidude, really well thought out stuff you have there.

If you want to know if it is fine then I guess you'll have to petition and ask. But don't share the response (whatever it is) because you might suddenly get nuked!


Make a guess where I was told to ask.

it couldn't be this thread here, could it? Oh wait, they really told me to ask in this thread...

Oh yeah. For the people that decide if we get nuked or not, they don't seem aware of their responsibility, or rather they just want to push you off elsewhere. They're not on the hook for anything if they only pass you a non-response. If that happens you should link them to the post here (in this thread, that is) that says to make a petition.

Or it's part of the whole vagueness/ambiguity thing where you are bounced around and never get an answer either way until you're suddenly nuked from orbit? I guess you fell for it? It's like constantly being redirected when you call a hotline, and told to hold on etc etc

I believe this post is the one to reference.


Is it safe to tell us that they told you to post here? Isn't that going to result in Trouble?

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Verisimilidude 001
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3403 - 2015-02-09 14:34:25 UTC
Well, I've done maybe 9 or 10 more Assault-level Incursion sites and I haven't been banned.

I've got another video I'm gonna' put together for the boxing community; I'll cross-post it here.
Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3404 - 2015-02-10 01:28:06 UTC
Verisimilidude 001 wrote:
Well, I've done maybe 9 or 10 more Assault-level Incursion sites and I haven't been banned.

I've got another video I'm gonna' put together for the boxing community; I'll cross-post it here.

I have been running quite a lot the last few days.

While I was at work today I started thinking about this thread. So I decided I was going to run some VGs when I got home with nothing more than eve in window mode. Unfortunately I came home to a NCO wall which made me sad because I wanted to run an OTA. OTAs are MUCH faster for me time wise with my current setup so they look much more impressive.

Regardless I ran about the same time with this setup as I do when I use isboxer. Which isn't terribly surprising as I don't use round robin or any of that stuff.

Actually having done this I'm pretty sure I could make turret ships work this way. Might dust off my NMs and take them for a spin again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B40tc3dr8s
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3405 - 2015-02-10 06:34:28 UTC
http://crossingzebras.com/the-limiting-factor/
Oy CCP. You could learn a lot from this. Stop punishing us because people don't wanna use a falcon or a catalyst.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3406 - 2015-02-10 06:58:22 UTC
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Verisimilidude 001 wrote:
Well, I've done maybe 9 or 10 more Assault-level Incursion sites and I haven't been banned.

I've got another video I'm gonna' put together for the boxing community; I'll cross-post it here.

I have been running quite a lot the last few days.

While I was at work today I started thinking about this thread. So I decided I was going to run some VGs when I got home with nothing more than eve in window mode. Unfortunately I came home to a NCO wall which made me sad because I wanted to run an OTA. OTAs are MUCH faster for me time wise with my current setup so they look much more impressive.

Regardless I ran about the same time with this setup as I do when I use isboxer. Which isn't terribly surprising as I don't use round robin or any of that stuff.

Actually having done this I'm pretty sure I could make turret ships work this way. Might dust off my NMs and take them for a spin again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B40tc3dr8s

Yeah, I used to just manually do it that way for miners, but eventually I didn't really care enough as I had all the isk I really was willing to mine for. Some things just don't die.

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Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#3407 - 2015-02-10 15:30:18 UTC
Thank God! Finally no more one man personal fleets be controlled with a single click. I knew CCP would finally come to their senses on this. Adios ISboxer

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3408 - 2015-02-10 15:41:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Nolak Ataru
Intar Medris wrote:
Thank God! Finally no more one man personal fleets be controlled with a single click. I knew CCP would finally come to their senses on this. Adios ISboxer

I guess you missed the previous videos where people are still ISBoxing....

e: And if you'd be so kind, what are your specific objections to ISBoxer?
Charadrass
Angry Germans
#3409 - 2015-02-10 20:04:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Charadrass
Intar Medris wrote:
Thank God! Finally no more one man personal fleets be controlled with a single click. I knew CCP would finally come to their senses on this. Adios ISboxer


Earth 2012 in USA: -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQIMGV5vtd4&feature=player_detailpage#t=39
multiple clients controlled by one person.

New Eden 21,000 years in the future:
we suddenly lost the ability to control multiple clients by one person.

Sad universe. evolution backwards.
Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3410 - 2015-02-10 21:05:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Kinete Jenius
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Verisimilidude 001 wrote:
Well, I've done maybe 9 or 10 more Assault-level Incursion sites and I haven't been banned.

I've got another video I'm gonna' put together for the boxing community; I'll cross-post it here.

I have been running quite a lot the last few days.

While I was at work today I started thinking about this thread. So I decided I was going to run some VGs when I got home with nothing more than eve in window mode. Unfortunately I came home to a NCO wall which made me sad because I wanted to run an OTA. OTAs are MUCH faster for me time wise with my current setup so they look much more impressive.

Regardless I ran about the same time with this setup as I do when I use isboxer. Which isn't terribly surprising as I don't use round robin or any of that stuff.

Actually having done this I'm pretty sure I could make turret ships work this way. Might dust off my NMs and take them for a spin again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B40tc3dr8s

Yeah, I used to just manually do it that way for miners, but eventually I didn't really care enough as I had all the isk I really was willing to mine for. Some things just don't die.

Yeah really basic stuff. For some reason though some people in this thread consider it cheating if I use isboxer to clean up the aesthetics some.


What you can't see is my nestor on the right screen and the nestor/venture on the second computer to the left.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3411 - 2015-02-13 16:50:53 UTC
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Yeah really basic stuff. For some reason though some people in this thread consider it cheating if I use isboxer to clean up the aesthetics some.

To be fair, some people think of Falcons as cheating.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3412 - 2015-02-14 04:22:33 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Yeah really basic stuff. For some reason though some people in this thread consider it cheating if I use isboxer to clean up the aesthetics some.

To be fair, some people think of Falcons as cheating.

Well, I'm sure no one get ccp reimbursed when they died "because of falcon"

It's quite well known that solo pvping with boosts and a falcon alt and scouts is perfectly fine...

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Charadrass
Angry Germans
#3413 - 2015-02-14 11:52:36 UTC
back to topic: we still need information about eula conform use of isboxer.
ashley Eoner
#3414 - 2015-02-14 21:32:04 UTC
Charadrass wrote:
back to topic: we still need information about eula conform use of isboxer.

Well it seems if you don't use round robin or the rollover stuff you're fine.

It seems the problem begins when you start using hotkeys and stuff too quickly across multiple clients.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3415 - 2015-02-15 06:38:14 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Charadrass wrote:
back to topic: we still need information about eula conform use of isboxer.

Well it seems if you don't use round robin or the rollover stuff you're fine.

It seems the problem begins when you start using hotkeys and stuff too quickly across multiple clients.

I recommend being safe and putting in a petition as these endless trolling here is enough enough to be sure you are in the clear.

Also, make sure to link this post in the petition: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5242611#post5242611

Otherwise apparently they will direct you to the thread, which as noted isn't going to give you the clear yes or no needed to avoid being nuked from orbit.

Don't share anything a GM sends you in order to avoid being nuked from orbit.

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Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3416 - 2015-02-15 12:45:34 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Charadrass wrote:
back to topic: we still need information about eula conform use of isboxer.

Well it seems if you don't use round robin or the rollover stuff you're fine.

It seems the problem begins when you start using hotkeys and stuff too quickly across multiple clients.

I recommend being safe and putting in a petition as these endless trolling here is enough enough to be sure you are in the clear.

Also, make sure to link this post in the petition: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5242611#post5242611
Otherwise apparently they will direct you to the thread, which as noted isn't going to give you the clear yes or no needed to avoid being nuked from orbit.
Don't share anything a GM sends you in order to avoid being nuked from orbit.


You must've missed the last dozen or so posts where people petitioned these questions, referenced the post, and were still told to ask here....
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3417 - 2015-02-15 14:48:40 UTC
Just gotta keep at it. Or just play it dangerous and maybe get owned from orbit.

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Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3418 - 2015-02-15 14:55:48 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Just gotta keep at it. Or just play it dangerous and maybe get owned from orbit.

Why do I get the feeling that if I had said the same thing to the people POS-bowling or cynoing titans next to a POS to bump other titans out, I would have gotten shouted down and ridiculed?
All we're asking is for CCP to step up to the plate and answer a few questions. If that's too hard for CCP Falcon, maybe he should resign.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3419 - 2015-02-15 15:01:28 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Just gotta keep at it. Or just play it dangerous and maybe get owned from orbit.

Why do I get the feeling that if I had said the same thing to the people POS-bowling or cynoing titans next to a POS to bump other titans out, I would have gotten shouted down and ridiculed?
All we're asking is for CCP to step up to the plate and answer a few questions. If that's too hard for CCP Falcon, maybe he should resign.

If only.

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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#3420 - 2015-02-15 23:17:20 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Just gotta keep at it. Or just play it dangerous and maybe get owned from orbit.

That isn't the "only" choice.
Letting multiple subs expire to reduce your risk of being banned until there is a clear interpretation of the EULA.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.