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How do you quit a job you like for a job you think will be better?

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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#1 - 2015-02-15 01:33:08 UTC
I've been really really happy with my developer job for almost 2 years.

I got recruited by another company, and I wasn't all that receptive at first. But after a few casual talks and some code review, I've got a serious offer on the table, and I've accepted it.

I'm not unhappy with my current employer. I have a good boss, and I get to do pretty good work, and I'm mostly protected from larger-scale company bullcrap. My job doesn't suck. It's kind of awesome.

But the offer is more exciting, more interesting, more of what I want to be doing. Also, more money.

So what do I say to my boss on Monday morning?

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2 - 2015-02-15 01:35:02 UTC
"I got a better offer."

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#3 - 2015-02-15 01:38:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Glathull wrote:
So what do I say to my boss on Monday morning?

The truth.

Lay it out and don't burn bridges (which it doesn't seem you would from your tone anyway).

But the truth will be appreciated more than any half truth or irrelevant reason.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#4 - 2015-02-15 01:38:48 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
"i got another job with this offer, i start in XXX.. can you match it?"

or just tell the truth, you got a recruited by another company and took it. they may counter your offer if they like you, or shrug and let you go if they wish

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Noriko Mai
#5 - 2015-02-15 01:40:54 UTC
As long as the $/PLEX ratio is better...

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein

Hrothgar Nilsson
#6 - 2015-02-15 02:38:03 UTC
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#7 - 2015-02-15 02:40:51 UTC
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
This should be in Out of Pod Experience, btw.


You are probably correct. Requesting a move to OOPE.

Thanks to everyone who hasn't said this.

Truth is a good thing. I'll go with that. I'll be very sad to leave this company. It's been very good to me. I guess I'll just say that and be done with it.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon

Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2015-02-15 05:02:43 UTC
I hope the hypothetical company you are talking about is not CCP.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#9 - 2015-02-15 05:20:28 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
I hope the hypothetical company you are talking about is not CCP.


Not sure where that came from, but CCP is not in any way involved.

For whatever it's worth to readers of the thread, I just did the stupidly honest thing and texted my boss. Told him what was up.

Answer: "******* **** man, for real? ****. **** **** ****. Okay. I'll talk to you Monday. Congratulations. This sucks."

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon

Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#10 - 2015-02-15 05:35:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Shiloh Templeton
My experience is that the truth is not always the best alternative when it's not something the person wants to hear (especially with dating!).

I would tell him that you've really enjoyed working for him and that you've learned a lot from him. Tell him you have an opportunity that feels like the best path at this point in your career. Ask him if there is anything you can do to help facilitate the transition. I wouldn't ask him to match the offer, I've seen that rub managers the wrong way. If he wants to make a counter offer, he will bring it up.


edit: oops, advice too late - good luck with the new job.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#11 - 2015-02-15 05:45:52 UTC
Thanks, Shiloh. I'm going to need the luck. New job is going to be a serious challenge.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon

Hippinse
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-02-15 05:45:59 UTC
Peter Griffin wrote:
"Angela, I just want to thank you for several extremely pleasurable years working for this corporation.
Uh, certain unexpected developments have created a situation where I am no longer in need of employment.
Uh, I would be remiss, however, if I did not extend my gratitude to you for your unwavering fairness and belief in me, and there is a giant poo on your desk."

Serene Repose
#13 - 2015-02-15 06:21:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Just get on the bus Gus. Make a new plan Stan. Drop off the key Lee.
It's a job. You're not married.

Besides, if you'd use an idea you found here...what's that say about "sincerity?"

TYVM. Have a nice day!Cool

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#14 - 2015-02-15 07:12:33 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Glathull wrote:
So what do I say to my boss on Monday morning?

The truth.

Lay it out and don't burn bridges (which it doesn't seem you would from your tone anyway).

But the truth will be appreciated more than any half truth or irrelevant reason.



There you go. Be an adult about it. No drama, tell the truth, and tender and hand over an official letter of resignation

*note on the LOR: you do NOT have to state a reason why you are resigning, and should not. First, you don't want any reason in writing, even a good one, that can come back at you later and second, it's nobody's business why and the LOR is merely a formality that makes it official.

Be sure to thank the boss before you go. Yes thank the boss. Always thank them. Trust me.

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Typhoid Mary
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-02-15 07:46:20 UTC
In the scary make believe world outside EVE, I am self employed and have a number of employees. I would much rather hear the truth about why someone is leaving, especially if it is for a better job. If someone does leave because the job/company sucks, then I want to know about it and make sure I fix it for other/future employees.

Kudos for doing the right thing and being straight with your boss.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#16 - 2015-02-15 09:21:43 UTC
Make sure that new company isn't painting a rosy picture. Check glassdoor.com, ask around, check their financials etc etc.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2015-02-15 09:41:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
DaReaper wrote:
"i got another job with this offer, i start in XXX.. can you match it?"

or just tell the truth, you got a recruited by another company and took it. they may counter your offer if they like you, or shrug and let you go if they wish

negative. do not mention anything about matching the offer, even if you're open to the possibility. Putting it in those words is an engineer personality type of mistake to make, and is essentially brinkmanship. Even if you received a raise at your current job, it's a ****** way to go about it. Just let the facts hang in the air, go to the new job for a year... I've seen people hired back after six, eight, twelve months. But you have to do it with true reasons, and not be guilty of looking like you're trying to twist your boss' arm into giving you a raise.

If you want a raise at your current job, ask for a raise.

If you want to move on, move on.

If they want you back down the road, let them want you back and talk about it then.

But for now do NOT let the words "can you match it?" come off your lips. That is just horrible advice and behavior.

The process of being hired back at a higher salary in reality is you leave, do your thing, and your old company is so impatient and unwilling to wait on the new guy to fill your shoes that they make you that better offer, after knowing what it's like to not have you anymore.

DaReaper wrote:
"i got another job with this offer, i start in XXX.. can you match it?"

quoting inept communication again. jesus. (it's disingenuous and underhanded).

Glathull wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
I hope the hypothetical company you are talking about is not CCP.


Not sure where that came from, but CCP is not in any way involved.

For whatever it's worth to readers of the thread, I just did the stupidly honest thing and texted my boss. Told him what was up.

Answer: "******* **** man, for real? ****. **** **** ****. Okay. I'll talk to you Monday. Congratulations. This sucks."

I like your style, and your relationship with your boss.
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#18 - 2015-02-15 10:20:10 UTC
Tell him this:
Glathull wrote:
I'm not unhappy with my current employer. I have a good boss, and I get to do pretty good work, and I'm mostly protected from larger-scale company bullcrap. My job doesn't suck. It's kind of awesome.

But the offer is more exciting, more interesting, more of what I want to be doing. Also, more money.

Also follow this advice:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
[Glathull wrote: So what do I say to my boss on Monday morning?]

The truth.

Lay it out and don't burn bridges (which it doesn't seem you would from your tone anyway).

But the truth will be appreciated more than any half truth or irrelevant reason.

This:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Be sure to thank the boss before you go. Yes thank the boss. Always thank them. Trust me.

And this:
Rain6637 wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
"i got another job with this offer, i start in XXX.. can you match it?"

or just tell the truth, you got a recruited by another company and took it. they may counter your offer if they like you, or shrug and let you go if they wish

negative. do not mention anything about matching the offer, even if you're open to the possibility. Putting it in those words is an engineer personality type of mistake to make, and is essentially brinkmanship. Even if you received a raise at your current job, it's a ****** way to go about it. Just let the facts hang in the air, go to the new job for a year... I've seen people hired back after six, eight, twelve months. But you have to do it with true reasons, and not be guilty of looking like you're trying to twist your boss' arm into giving you a raise.

If you want a raise at your current job, ask for a raise.

If you want to move on, move on.

If they want you back down the road, let them want you back and talk about it then.

But for now do NOT let the words "can you match it?" come off your lips. That is just horrible advice and behavior.

The process of being hired back at a higher salary in reality is you leave, do your thing, and your old company is so impatient and unwilling to wait on the new guy to fill your shoes that they make you that better offer, after knowing what it's like to not have you anymore.

ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#19 - 2015-02-15 11:23:43 UTC
Moved to Out of Pod Experience.

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Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-02-15 15:13:47 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
My experience is that the truth is not always the best alternative when it's not something the person wants to hear (especially with dating!).

I would tell him that you've really enjoyed working for him and that you've learned a lot from him. Tell him you have an opportunity that feels like the best path at this point in your career. Ask him if there is anything you can do to help facilitate the transition. I wouldn't ask him to match the offer, I've seen that rub managers the wrong way. If he wants to make a counter offer, he will bring it up.


edit: oops, advice too late - good luck with the new job.


what do you mean with dating? i have a wife and back then i ask here to married me! She answer yes but i say you will also married with eve online to. The answer was and is still yes. So i have never "talk bullshit" to my wife. I `m honest to my love one. My boss in the other hand its work i dont care some "alternative truth" can benefit both man.
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