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Syn Shi

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#481 - 2015-02-15 04:11:58 UTC

Alavaria Fera wrote:

Remiel Pollard wrote:

As mentioned repeatedly, analogising fiction with fact is not an argument, so it's rather ironic when you call anyone's argument weak. There are no wardec mechanics between corporations in real life, and while you call others' arguments weak, you don't even have one with this. It's not even a weak argument, it's a complete non-argument.

That would be pretty hilarious, wardec mechanics in real life

Its called Nato.
The US uses it quite allot.

Weaponised Vegemite Flying Dangerous 47,807
Scipio Artelius Weaponised Vegemite Flying Dangerous Likes received: 47,807	#482 - 2015-02-15 04:19:45 UTC Genseric Tollaris wrote: What problems? The one you proposed a change for. It wasn't really well laid out why, but change for change sake doesn't really seem like many people's style.

Genseric Tollaris

Hard Cog Industry

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#483 - 2015-02-15 04:32:00 UTC

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Genseric Tollaris wrote:

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Genseric Tollaris wrote:

I'd like to see CCP change crimewatch so that outlaw characters ships are concorded in high sec regardless of GCC. The gankbear tears would be epic.

I'd like to see mechanical consequences enforced on any other playstyle besides gankers, since they stand alone in that regard.

Do you even play this game?

If you disagree, then please enlighten me as to what other playstyles come with mechanical consequences to even a tiny degree in comparison to ganking.

Gate camping and anything involving gate and station agro come with mechanical consequences for violencing other players that can be a hell of a lot more severe than losing a gank cat to concord. Hell, any playstyle outside high sec can come with mechanical consequences that can mean far worse losses than anything a ganker would lose in high sec.

Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

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#484 - 2015-02-15 04:36:55 UTC

Genseric Tollaris wrote:

Hell, any playstyle outside high sec can come with mechanical consequences that can mean far worse losses than anything a ganker would lose in high sec.

I was talking about playstyles in highsec, since that's the theme of the whole thread and all. Mining, mission running, trading, hauling, what's left of salvaging and exploring, those all have no mechanical consequences that are inflicted just for doing them.

Ganking does. (gate camping in highsec is ganking, by the way)

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.


Genseric Tollaris Hard Cog Industry Likes received: 204	#485 - 2015-02-15 04:38:25 UTC Scipio Artelius wrote: Genseric Tollaris wrote: What problems? The one you proposed a change for. It wasn't really well laid out why, but change for change sake doesn't really seem like many people's style. I don't see gankbear tears as being a problem, quite the opposite.

Genseric Tollaris

Hard Cog Industry

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#486 - 2015-02-15 04:40:08 UTC

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Genseric Tollaris wrote:

Hell, any playstyle outside high sec can come with mechanical consequences that can mean far worse losses than anything a ganker would lose in high sec.

Why should they have mechanical consequences? You do realize highsec stands for high security right?

Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

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#487 - 2015-02-15 04:41:00 UTC

Genseric Tollaris wrote:

Scipio Artelius wrote:

Genseric Tollaris wrote:

What problems?

The one you proposed a change for. It wasn't really well laid out why, but change for change sake doesn't really seem like many people's style.

I don't see gankbear tears as being a problem, quite the opposite.

Then go do something about them yourself. Quit asking CCP to do what you don't have the spine to do on your own.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

Likes received: 16,296

#488 - 2015-02-15 04:42:26 UTC

Genseric Tollaris wrote:

Why should they have mechanical consequences?

Well, if you're proposing that other people have consequences inflicted on them by the game system, then why is it not okay for you? What's good for the goose is good for the gander, after all.

Oh, wait, except that you're a hypocrite.

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You do realize highsec stands for high security right?

And what it doesn't stand for is "total safety". You still have to bother defending yourself.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Genseric Tollaris

Hard Cog Industry

Likes received: 204

#489 - 2015-02-15 04:43:53 UTC

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Genseric Tollaris wrote:

Scipio Artelius wrote:

Genseric Tollaris wrote:

What problems?

The one you proposed a change for. It wasn't really well laid out why, but change for change sake doesn't really seem like many people's style.

I don't see gankbear tears as being a problem, quite the opposite.

Then go do something about them yourself. Quit asking CCP to do what you don't have the spine to do on your own.

Asking CCP to nerf ganking is doing something about it myself.

Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

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#490 - 2015-02-15 04:45:37 UTC

Genseric Tollaris wrote:

Asking CCP to nerf ganking is doing something about it myself.

No, it's asking for the game system to do it for you, so you don't have to.

In other words, it's the single greatest act of pure cowardice and laziness possible in this context.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.


Scipio Artelius Weaponised Vegemite Flying Dangerous Likes received: 47,807	#491 - 2015-02-15 04:57:15 UTC \| Edited by: Scipio Artelius 1 Genseric Tollaris wrote: I don't see gankbear tears as being a problem, quite the opposite. Ah, so just for your own personal amusement. Driven by selfishness based on personal enjoyment for you and an underlying belief that someone else's play is less worthy than yours. Typical of a lot of change proposals.

Genseric Tollaris

Hard Cog Industry

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#492 - 2015-02-15 05:00:47 UTC

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Genseric Tollaris wrote:

Why should they have mechanical consequences?

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You do realize highsec stands for high security right?

And what it doesn't stand for is "total safety". You still have to bother defending yourself.

You do realize that high sec has rules against illegal aggression right? Why should carebears receive consequences for playing within the rules of high sec? That makes no sense. And how am I a hypocrite?

And no it's not "total safety", nor should it be. It also shouldn't be risk free player targets for people to risk averse to pew in low and null.


Genseric Tollaris Hard Cog Industry Likes received: 204	#493 - 2015-02-15 05:03:07 UTC Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Genseric Tollaris wrote: Asking CCP to nerf ganking is doing something about it myself. No, it's asking for the game system to do it for you, so you don't have to. In other words, it's the single greatest act of pure cowardice and laziness possible in this context. No, ganking bears is definitely more cowardly and lazy.


Genseric Tollaris Hard Cog Industry Likes received: 204	#494 - 2015-02-15 05:05:31 UTC Scipio Artelius wrote: Genseric Tollaris wrote: I don't see gankbear tears as being a problem, quite the opposite. Ah, so just for your own personal amusement. Driven by selfishness based on personal enjoyment for you and an underlying belief that someone else's play is less worthy than yours. Typical of a lot of change proposals. Yeah, pretty much that.

Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

Likes received: 16,296

#495 - 2015-02-15 05:07:22 UTC

Genseric Tollaris wrote:

You do realize that high sec has rules against illegal aggression right?

No, it has consequences for shooting other people without justification.

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Why should carebears receive consequences for playing within the rules of high sec? That makes no sense.

Why should gankers have more consequences just because you can't be asked to defend yourself correctly?

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And how am I a hypocrite?

It's rather common carebear behavior, actually.

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And no it's not "total safety", nor should it be. It also shouldn't be risk free player targets

That's not our fault. It's yours, for never defending yourselves and never bothering to fight back.

Inflict consequences yourself, or shut up and get used to being the victim.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.


Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. Likes received: 16,296	#496 - 2015-02-15 05:08:12 UTC Genseric Tollaris wrote: No, ganking bears is definitely more cowardly and lazy. There is nothing more cowardly or lazy than crying for nerfs because you don't want to play the game correctly. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.


Genseric Tollaris Hard Cog Industry Likes received: 204	#497 - 2015-02-15 05:11:52 UTC Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Genseric Tollaris wrote: No, ganking bears is definitely more cowardly and lazy. There is nothing more cowardly or lazy than crying for nerfs because you don't want to play the game correctly. You do realize I'm -10 and live in low sec don't you?

Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

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#498 - 2015-02-15 05:13:22 UTC

Genseric Tollaris wrote:

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Genseric Tollaris wrote:

No, ganking bears is definitely more cowardly and lazy.

There is nothing more cowardly or lazy than crying for nerfs because you don't want to play the game correctly.

You do realize I'm -10 and live in low sec don't you?

So? Carebear is a state of mind, not a profession.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.


Genseric Tollaris Hard Cog Industry Likes received: 204	#499 - 2015-02-15 05:15:06 UTC 1 Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Carebear is a state of mind. It sure is.