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[AM] - Thera Report

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Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-02-14 02:42:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Kithrus
Connection established
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Signal Origination - Ebidan fluid routers - error -
Running Trace Route - error - signal not traced on network
Scanning system for sources - source located - Wormhole T458

Runing Trace Route - location established - output follows

Location
Station: Thera XIII - The Sanctuary Applied Gravitation Laboratory
System: Thera
Constellation: G-C00324
Region: G-R00031
Cluster: Anoikis

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Greeting people of new eden, faithful of the kingdom and empire, my king and her royal majesty. May the light of truth guide you and may your path ever be clear.

Many of you know who I am, for those who do not I am Kithrus Crases, first son of Marcus Crases, cyber-knight elite to his majesty King Khanid and Executor of Aegis Militia. I send word to you now of an issue that has troubled me for a long long time. Since the appearance of wormholes and more importantly the incursions of the Sansha I have always made it a point to devote some time to the study of wormholes.

To some this is an old topic, for that I apologies. Many of my capsulleer peers have invested much time and effort into projects like Arek'Jaalan.

Such things though enlightening have fallen short on two main points.
While scientific intrepid is important getting lost in fact sheets and awe has blinded many of you. Many have lost themselves in learning the hows and wheres of Anoikis but forgot the why.

Why did several suns in a wide ring round Amarr space erupt killing millions and causing wormholes to appear act thus? Why did the event seem to repeat itself in Anoikis not long ago as evidence of the shattered planets?
Why did Sansha suddenly have wormhole generating technology?

The answer is long but in brief it was the sleepers all along. Those who we called sleepers perhaps are much more awake then we thought.

If you were to come to Thera itself there is strong evidence all around that the sleepers in attempt to reach us caused these events. Sansha saw this and sought to capitalize on it ultimately with mixed results. There is a strong Sansha and sleeper presence here showing signs of conflict going back almost several years.

As a loyal Amarrian I offer these efforts, my strength, my mind and my resources to dedicating AM to exploring these findings for my Empress and the benefit and safety of all people. I will take what help offered I can and caution those in my way to stand aside.

Our homes, New Eden is in peril. We must adapt and take the advantage of what Thera offers from our enemy.

Walk with God

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

Jennifer Starfall
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2015-02-14 08:07:39 UTC
Mr. Crases,

I know you and Cardinal Graelyn have spent a fair amount of time in Thera. It appears that you've put your time to good use. Perhaps you could submit a proposal to share your findings at the Fourth Seyllin Conference?

Jennifer Starfall

Fifth Seyllin Conference

Celestia Via
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#3 - 2015-02-14 10:12:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Celestia Via
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Why did the event seem to repeat itself in Anoikis not long ago as evidence of the shattered planets?


I tend to agree with you on most parts, except this one. How can you tell the event in Anoikis was recent?
It could even predate Sleepers themselves for all we know. We cannot even be sure of the very nature of the disaster,
most seem keen to use the term "explosion" but this cannot be said with certainty since there are contradictions.

Now, as to the reason behind the events, questions are raised. Was it intentional or an accident? Or maybe a bit of both?
Was it targeted? And by whom? Even if we had facts to show that someone had the technology to weaponize such a force we cannot argue that the same one used it again. The ancient weapon could have been revived and used by someone else for example.

If you have a theory on all this, I for one would very much like to hear it.
As you said, the threat we face is very real indeed, and this is not the time for secrecy and competitive research.
We need to come together on this. I strongly urge everyone who has any insight to open the lid on it, come forward and share their thoughts and findings so we can better prepare for what lies ahead. Together.

"We marched for days and nights, under sun, in the rain. Our minds and bodies ached for rest, but in our hearts there was nothing but the fight."

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#4 - 2015-02-14 21:53:05 UTC
All due respect, but this doesn't seem like much of a report. You provided some statements but backed it up with no evidence and invited people to come to Thera to "see for yourself". I have and I've reached some differing opinions about the matter but if you have some evidence, despite how long it might take to lay out, I would be interested to listen.

-Eran
Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2015-02-14 22:39:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Kithrus
Jennifer Starfall wrote:
Mr. Crases,

I know you and Cardinal Graelyn have spent a fair amount of time in Thera. It appears that you've put your time to good use. Perhaps you could submit a proposal to share your findings at the Fourth Seyllin Conference?


I would very much like to.

Eran Mintor wrote:
All due respect, but this doesn't seem like much of a report. You provided some statements but backed it up with no evidence and invited people to come to Thera to "see for yourself". I have and I've reached some differing opinions about the matter but if you have some evidence, despite how long it might take to lay out, I would be interested to listen.

-Eran


Your right I didn't, my main goal is to state a point but keep it short. Even with what I said it was longer then I would like. What points that were made would you like to address? I have several years of research, and ten in tactical training which says something isn't right.

Where do you want to start?

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#6 - 2015-02-14 22:49:17 UTC
I suppose we can start with why you think it's the Sleepers who were behind Seyllin and the other "Shattered" events, and not someone or something else?

-Eran
Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2015-02-15 04:51:32 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
I suppose we can start with why you think it's the Sleepers who were behind Seyllin and the other "Shattered" events, and not someone or something else?

-Eran


When the wormholes first appeared I was living in Villore space under Elemental Syndicate. I was one of the first people who was there at the Seyllin event. At the time there was much debate onto how a star would flare like that. It didn't take long to see other stars in New Eden follow suite but thankfully in more remote areas. What followed after the dust cleared were the wormholes themselves.

We have not encounter a natural forming wormhole, one could argue the eve gate if it was ever a natural wormhole to begin with but I digress.

We use wormholes ever day as capsulleer pilots without even truly thinking about it. Star-gates, cynos, jump bridging are all honestly man made wormholes if however brief. They bend space time to shunt you through layers of reality folding in on it self till you arrive at your destination. This is accomplished through burning various types of fuel and using a vast amount of power but at the end of the day or indeed the jump itself the wormhole last only seconds.

Whats interesting about the Seyllin incident was the type of star that detonated burning off a number of properties causing us to re-class said star to AO.

Follow me to the current day for a moment.

When I first came to Thera the first thing I did was warp to the star of this massive system. The sisters of eve called it the epic center and I do not blame them. Not only is the star in the exact same state as Seyllin is but more importantly the Sleeper, Sansha and Talcon wrecks that have been clearly harnessing this massive sun to make wormholes.

Sansha are many things but one can safely argue they are egotistical. A full year had passed since the Seyllin incident before Snasha started pouring out from wormholes. I firmly believe if they controlled the wormholes they would have used them immediately and wasted no time claiming it.

I can safely assume based on the age of the wrecks at the epic center in Thera that Sansha took advantage of the sleepers opening the gates and either used Thera or maybe other systems like it to stage their attacks.

Backing up from Sansha for a moment I was you to consider a few things about the sleepers. You have a race who is isolated from a majority of known space. They hibernate constantly and have not star-gate system to reach us. How think you that they came across Talcon tech and because of their limited understanding of it used it to distort reality anchoring random wormhole events between our systems and theirs via the suns.

In order for us to achieve any kind of jump we have to have a event at both ends, something to anchor it to. I would argue you have a chance to create a natural wormhole by mistake but the odds are astronomical and it most likely wouldn't last long.

So picture this then, a star gate on a massive scale only its broken up into smaller events and the end to end links are the AO class suns in both clusters.

It stops being an event of simple scientific curiosity and begins to look like the prelude to a full scale invasion.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

Albizu Zateki
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-02-15 04:57:59 UTC
So if Thera was where the Sansha were staging their attacks...

...where is their current staging area?


"Bloody Omir's coming back. Monsters from the endless black. Wading through a crimson flood, Omir's come to drink your blood."

Celestia Via
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#9 - 2015-02-15 05:26:22 UTC
Albizu Zateki wrote:
So if Thera was where the Sansha were staging their attacks...

...where is their current staging area?





Quite a few Anoikis have been found that can be safely categorized as Nation base-systems.

"We marched for days and nights, under sun, in the rain. Our minds and bodies ached for rest, but in our hearts there was nothing but the fight."

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#10 - 2015-02-15 16:14:25 UTC
Why do you think Thera was Sansha occupied? The only sign of any Sansha presence are the occasional abandoned data or relic signatures-- those you can find in any null-sec or low-class wormhole systems these days, as you can also find with the Cartel, Serpentis, and Guristas. Thera was colonized by the SoE, and perhaps we should be cornering them for answers. Sansha may share their interest in the technology but Sansha have no stations or any known base in Thera. They have poked their head in, sure, and so have the other notable 'pirate' factions.

As for the status of Sansha occupied wormholes, it's very possible Sansha were harvesting resources from these systems like many capsuleers have for years already. Nation likely realized that they would be at a huge disadvantage if the main four empires were the only ones to benefit from these new discoveries and sent in teams probably soon after the Seyllin Event. An important question is why were the Sansha in these J0 systems before the rest of the capsuleer community and why are we, the majority of capsuleers, only now gaining access to these systems? Another question to investigate is if the 'Silent Battlefield' often encountered is the result of failed harvesting attempts from the Sansha or a larger conflict. It still remains to be known how the Sansha were even able to get to Jove space before this, as discovered by Mouse Nell's probe into a Sansha wormhole.

If the Sleepers were the ones who activated the wormholes initially, why are we just now seeing them in 'k-space' after all these years? There's still so many questions to answer about why they left this cluster to Anoikis and have a form of quarantine in effect there. If they were the catalyst for these wormholes to open, what was the purpose? If they want to invade, why? the AO type stars seems to have some connection with the events but it isn't quite clear yet. These stars may be rare but they are not a phenomenon. However, a star suddenly changing unexpectedly is. The physics behind such a change should probably be further investigated.

The original report about Thera from an SoE agent raised some questions for me that I've yet to see addressed, as well.

"Sister Taya Akira has revealed to the Scope – in what she freely admits is a breach of her oath of obedience to the Sisters of EVE – that several years ago the Sanctuary established a large multiple station colony in a hitherto unknown star system only accessible using wormhole exploration technology developed by the Sisters of EVE. Sister Taya has claimed that this system was named "Thera" and she was until recently working as a research scientist at a Sanctuary facility in the system."

Highlighted at my discretion.

What technology is this? Is the technology somehow related to the ancient Talocan structures we see active at all the 'Epicenters' with violent wormholes spouting from their spires? Why are we now able to reach Thera through more wormholes than any other previously known system, while before nobody was able to reach it for years? Why was the systems previously known connections lost by the SoE once "Caroline's Star" became active and news of the "Sansha Scare" became known?

What is restricting wormholes from appearing in Jove systems, or any of these previously cut-off systems like Thera and any of the J0 systems? Do the Jove have technology similar to cynosural field inhibitors that cut off wormhole connections? Is it possible that the reason Thera has so many wormhole connections is because of efforts done by the SoE research teams there to study and reactivate Talocan static gates? It would seem obvious that there's some connection between the systems we're connected to through these short-lived wormholes and when they become available, and that obviously has something to do with these abnormal star events, but what exactly? Is there some kind of quantum entanglement set in motion that allows not just particles but whole regions to connect?

I realize I haven't provided any answers and that was my intent. A lot of questions remain to be answered. I think a lot of them can't be positively answered at this time--at least with any evidence I've seen thus far. However I believe while questions often are the least satisfying of an exchange, asking the right questions will often lead you closer to the answers you seek.

Keep your mind open and your eyes on the periphery.

-Eran

Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2015-02-16 06:07:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kithrus
Eran Mintor wrote:
Why do you think Thera was Sansha occupied? The only sign of any Sansha presence are the occasional abandoned data or relic signatures-- those you can find in any null-sec or low-class wormhole systems these days, as you can also find with the Cartel, Serpentis, and Guristas. Thera was colonized by the SoE, and perhaps we should be cornering them for answers. Sansha may share their interest in the technology but Sansha have no stations or any known base in Thera. They have poked their head in, sure, and so have the other notable 'pirate' factions.


Well this is very true most pirate factions have not assaulted anywhere within wormholes. Whether this is due to comfort levels or a lack of logistics I don't know. Most of them and I are not on speaking terms. It could be possible that the Sansha merely took advantage of the wormholes fearlessly but there are Sansha derelict structures in Thera and other locations.


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As for the status of Sansha occupied wormholes, it's very possible Sansha were harvesting resources from these systems like many capsuleers have for years already. Nation likely realized that they would be at a huge disadvantage if the main four empires were the only ones to benefit from these new discoveries and sent in teams probably soon after the Seyllin Event. An important question is why were the Sansha in these J0 systems before the rest of the capsuleer community and why are we, the majority of capsuleers, only now gaining access to these systems? Another question to investigate is if the 'Silent Battlefield' often encountered is the result of failed harvesting attempts from the Sansha or a larger conflict. It still remains to be known how the Sansha were even able to get to Jove space before this, as discovered by Mouse Nell's probe into a Sansha wormhole.


We are capable of going to jove space, its just difficult. The gap between our systems and theirs are hardly impossible to span. I assume Concord wisely limits capsulleer access to tech to reach Jove space. You wouldn't want a nihilistic lot pissing in the pool of the only force we are aware of that could decimate a good portion of New Eden before being brought to heel. I imagine Sansha gave the Jove a good run for their isk but in the end it ended in a stalemate.

What the Jove have in Tech they lack in numbers, I'm confident that if the whole cluster turned on the jove they wouldn't last long but that is a topic for another time and one I don't care to look into more.

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If the Sleepers were the ones who activated the wormholes initially, why are we just now seeing them in 'k-space' after all these years?


I have two points for this:
First if you were to launch an (for lack of a better term) a cluster wide cyno targeting on a class a star (the only thing logically you could lock onto at the range we are talking about) you would do a test run, resulting if successful in minimal exposure to the parts of your space you can afford to lose.

Secondly and more terrifying there is clear indication that though all sleepers are extremely dangerous many of the ones we have encountered have been almost animistic. Certain ships can approach them but others can't? With the emergence of the Seekers and more importantly was appears to have been a second Seyllin Event in their own space opening up location like Thera the true masters emerge.

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What is restricting wormholes from appearing in Jove systems, or any of these previously cut-off systems like Thera and any of the J0 systems?
Do the Jove have technology similar to cynosural field inhibitors that cut off wormhole connections?



The first Seyllin Event opened wormholes into parts of Anoikis as mentioned above.

Honestly I imagine they do, many null sec system are equipt with quantum generators that attract wormhole connections. I don't think it much of a leap there is a device that does the opposite effect.

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Is it possible that the reason Thera has so many wormhole connections is because of efforts done by the SoE research teams there to study and reactivate Talocan static gates?
I think what is more likely SoE had the resources to span the gap between systems in Anoikis like we did here before the star-gates and landed in Thera just after the Sansha were pushed out. They have several stations there that clearly show signs of damage from the second Seyllin Event.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#12 - 2015-02-16 22:36:28 UTC
Kithrus wrote:
We are capable of going to jove space, its just difficult. The gap between our systems and theirs are hardly impossible to span. I assume Concord wisely limits capsulleer access to tech to reach Jove space. You wouldn't want a nihilistic lot pissing in the pool of the only force we are aware of that could decimate a good portion of New Eden before being brought to heel. I imagine Sansha gave the Jove a good run for their isk but in the end it ended in a stalemate.


I don't know of any pilot, ship, or crew who crossed over to Jove space. Again you make a statement that is backed by no evidence. How are we able to go to Jove space? The only recollection I have of something of ours crossing over to Jove space is that probe I mentioned earlier.

Perhaps I'm missing something here.

One of my concerns is that you seem to believe Sansha were using Thera before SoE got there. While it's certainly not implausible, there's no evidence to support this. There are no 'Silent Battlefields' in Thera or any real Sansha presence here, besides the research facilities I mentioned before that are present in all low-class wormhole systems. You mention derelict structures belonging to Sansha in Thera; what structures are you referring to? The ones in the data/relic signatures?

-Eran


Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2015-02-16 23:07:18 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
Kithrus wrote:
We are capable of going to jove space, its just difficult. The gap between our systems and theirs are hardly impossible to span. I assume Concord wisely limits capsulleer access to tech to reach Jove space. You wouldn't want a nihilistic lot pissing in the pool of the only force we are aware of that could decimate a good portion of New Eden before being brought to heel. I imagine Sansha gave the Jove a good run for their isk but in the end it ended in a stalemate.


I don't know of any pilot, ship, or crew who crossed over to Jove space. Again you make a statement that is backed by no evidence. How are we able to go to Jove space? The only recollection I have of something of ours crossing over to Jove space is that probe I mentioned earlier.

Perhaps I'm missing something here.

One of my concerns is that you seem to believe Sansha were using Thera before SoE got there. While it's certainly not implausible, there's no evidence to support this. There are no 'Silent Battlefields' in Thera or any real Sansha presence here, besides the research facilities I mentioned before that are present in all low-class wormhole systems. You mention derelict structures belonging to Sansha in Thera; what structures are you referring to? The ones in the data/relic signatures?

-Eran


I'm not saying people have been to jove space I'm saying its possible. How did we get from system to system before jump gates?

I've seen Sansha at the Epiccenter and the ruined SoE stations around Thera.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#14 - 2015-02-16 23:08:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Eran Mintor
You've seen Sansha ships at the Thera Epicenter and other stations? Did you take a picture for us? Every time I go to the Thera Epicenter I've only found Sleepers.

-Eran

Edit: Did a quick resurveying of the sites around Thera and wasn't able to find any Sansha, however I did notice something I hadn't previously seen which raises some more questions.

Was there an attack on SoE facilities before the star erupted?
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#15 - 2015-02-17 00:37:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
Kithrus wrote:

I'm not saying people have been to jove space I'm saying its possible. How did we get from system to system before jump gates?

It might be possible. Slowly, very slowly. That is if the expedition will be lucky and won't get noticed and obliterated by potential inhabitants of that region.

Eran Mintor wrote:
You've seen Sansha ships at the Thera Epicenter and other stations? Did you take a picture for us? Every time I go to the Thera Epicenter I've only found Sleepers.

-Eran

Edit: Did a quick resurveying of the sites around Thera and wasn't able to find any Sansha, however I did notice something I hadn't previously seen which raises some more questions.

Was there an attack on SoE facilities before the star erupted?


There are some shattered worlds that contain an unusual amount of Sansha signatures. Our Project made a report on it here, if you are interested.

The analysis of this Comm Relay is intriguing. Do you think that this may be the main communication relay for the colony? Was it sabotaged by someone or deliberately destroyed?
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#16 - 2015-02-17 00:56:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Eran Mintor
Sabotage was my initial thought, though that just raises even more questions. Who and why? None of the other (remaining) structures in the system seem to have been attacked by anything, though it's entirely possible a good portion of clues were blown away with the star burst. Energy weapon screams lasers so I suppose the most likely candidates are Sansha or Sleepers themselves, but I don't want to say that it certainly had to be one of the two. Perhaps SoE were getting too close to someone else's secrets?

I am aware of Sansha-occupied wormholes; the issue I had was the statement that Thera was once Sansha-occupied. It's not impossible but there just isn't the evidence yet to say that is a fact.

-Eran