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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#161 - 2011-12-21 06:44:39 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Varr Dorn wrote:
You sound like Ebenezer ScroogeP Do I get bonus points for a holiday appropriate reference?

There are things in life, even within the small bounds of the universe of Eve that are indefinable in monetary terms.
Name 3. P
Bonus points for referencing my past, present and future.


Smile Niiiiice.

Yes there are Varr, but minerals and other (virtual) material assets are not one of them... and god bless them every one.

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Varr Dorn
Blue Flame Ore Excavations
#162 - 2011-12-21 07:42:42 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Varr Dorn wrote:
You sound like Ebenezer ScroogeP Do I get bonus points for a holiday appropriate reference?

There are things in life, even within the small bounds of the universe of Eve that are indefinable in monetary terms.
Name 3. P
Bonus points for referencing my past, present and future.


Satisfaction/Accomplishment, The company of good friends, peace of mind

I figured I'd forego the generic "happiness,love" answer.

Any of the above are completely unrelated to money. After all, IRL I turned down a higher paying job for a job I enjoy more. My enjoyment is something I can VALUE but can't necessarily put a dollar figure on.

If we're talking STRICTLY in EVE terms, then we're still talking ephemeral things. The satisfaction of completing a goal, the thrill of hopping through a gate camp unharmed (which is not dependent on money, just skill/luck/etc), the enjoyment of just flying through space, chatting with corpmates, etc. Some you could stretch to monetary terms (like PVP being linked to the cost of ships) but the THRILL of PVP is not quantifiable in monetary terms.

That being said I believe that the valuation most people give things on the market is imaginary anyway. A product is only worth what someone is willing to pay, anything else is just vapors. Therefore the cost could be seen as perceived value, or assigned value. Not necessarily intrinsic value.


Banaken wrote:
In that case the opportunity cost is the price you paid for your hulk + fittings and the time it takes to make enough ISK to even up your wallet from buying that hulk, should you get ganked with that hulk you just lost 250mils and are now going 500mils in "the frozen side" of things.
Ofc, you could swap to retriever or even a mining cruiser but your ISK making just bit the bullet big time.


According to this argument the opportunity cost is defined mainly by the cost of the Hulk. Then once the Hulk is paid for, any materials mined afterwards are pure profit. Meaning that you can sell them for whatever you want.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#163 - 2011-12-21 08:10:20 UTC
Varr Dorn wrote:
That being said I believe that the valuation most people give things on the market is imaginary anyway. A product is only worth what someone is willing to pay, anything else is just vapors. Therefore the cost could be seen as perceived value, or assigned value. Not necessarily intrinsic value.
Kudos for actually answering. Regarding this particular bit, I have always felt the economy is a consensus reality. I thinkt the bank scene in Mary Poppins effectively displays how it only exists as long as we all agree it exists.

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dethleffs
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#164 - 2011-12-21 09:57:09 UTC
Time is money and money is beer, so time is beer. All there is to it folks.
Varr Dorn
Blue Flame Ore Excavations
#165 - 2011-12-21 10:02:31 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Varr Dorn wrote:
That being said I believe that the valuation most people give things on the market is imaginary anyway. A product is only worth what someone is willing to pay, anything else is just vapors. Therefore the cost could be seen as perceived value, or assigned value. Not necessarily intrinsic value.
Kudos for actually answering. Regarding this particular bit, I have always felt the economy is a consensus reality. I thinkt the bank scene in Mary Poppins effectively displays how it only exists as long as we all agree it exists.


I can agree with that. Mainly because I like **** Van Dyke. +1 for a classic movie reference.
ariana ailith
Dukalin
#166 - 2011-12-21 10:03:58 UTC
Diana Dour wrote:
Alt posting to protect myself from further persecution.
Why do people play minecraft honestly? There must be some appeal, not everyone enjoys spamming grenades in 24/7 metro (stupid fps reference).


I hate that map...


Also, your thread is flawed somehow. 0.0 miners also build things. And high sec miners are also in it for the money.

But yea, without miners the game would be dead. And i don't understand why so many people hate miners for keeping Eve alive.. But that might just be me.
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#167 - 2011-12-21 14:52:29 UTC
Not constructive or relevant to General Discussion.

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