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Tora Bushido for CSM X - A New High-Sec (No Nerfed Disneyland)

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Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#321 - 2015-02-13 08:10:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tora Bushido
Lucas Kell wrote:
This year I'm starting to have a look at the running CSM candidates in a bit more depth, and I've written a short review of your campaign, which can be found here.


You can write a blog any way you want it to go. It’s clear that you and I don’t like each other. This is affecting your judgement. If I give someone a peace of cake, they would probably say “Ohh nice, thank you, I love cake!”. Someone like you would say “Ohh Tora is a bad man, he is trying to make me fat!!”. If you want to be a good writer Lucas, try to write these things without personal feelings. It’s probably the hardest thing to do as a writer. This is one of the things that will make me a good CSM, as I can do this.

“Tora has changed his mind since he started his campaign” vs “Tora listens to the community and is willing to change if needed”

The CSM isn’t about my ideas, it’s about the communities ideas. A CSM is there to listen to the voices and express them at the meetings.

“I’ve been quite critical of a few CSM members since the beginning of these campaigns, and Tora is the only one that has gone out of his way to ignore me, even going so far as to block me on twitter from reading his feed.” Looking at how people respond to your forum walls of text, are you sure it’s just me who wants to ignore you ?

Ok, thanks for the effort and Eve content (yes, I really mean that Blink), but I’ll be going back to ignore Lucas mode.

Life short and prosper...... Pirate

Tora

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#322 - 2015-02-13 08:50:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
I call it as I see it. It has nothing to do with feelings for you. I have no reason to dislike you beyond the fact that you are a terrible candidate for the CSM for precisely the reasons I've listed. You don't "listen to the community" you listen to a few select people and you change your mind if it will benefit you to do so. A CSM member needs to stand up for what the community wants, not just pitch and agree with ideas. I don't trust you to do that, and I certainly don't trust you not to change your mind about what is a good idea half way though. How can players be behind you if in 2 months time you might suddenly be against their playstyle because you can't make up your mind?

I get the impression that you just sit there and echo what you think people want to hear. More importantly than anything else a CSM member needs to be free-thinking with clear opinions about what is good and bad about the game, backed by substantial EVE knowledge. I don't believe you have that. I believe you'll say what you think people want to hear to try to get yourself elected, and you'll do it more for the glory of "look at me, I'm a CSM member" rather than to actually help the game.

Thanks though for turning this into an attack on me personally. This just further proves that what I wrote in the blog post is true. You are unable to handle criticism at this stage, so there's no way you'll be able to handle the amount of criticism you'll get as a CSM member.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#323 - 2015-02-13 10:51:41 UTC
Lucas, your blog post and your comments in this CSM thread and others show you to be ill-informed, judgemental, and overly biased in your opinions. Also, you misspelled "focused".

You need to learn to be fair and balanced in your reporting in your blog, like I am in mine.

Big smile

www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com

Vote Sabriz Adoudel and Tora Bushido for CSMX. Keep the Evil in EVE!

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#324 - 2015-02-13 11:48:45 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Lucas, your blog post and your comments in this CSM thread and others show you to be ill-informed, judgemental, and overly biased in your opinions. Also, you misspelled "focused".

You need to learn to be fair and balanced in your reporting in your blog, like I am in mine.

Big smile
My opinions are just that, my opinions. They are no more or less biased than anyone else holding their own opinions. Ill-informed I very much doubt - differing in opinion to yourself perhaps, but that doesn't make me ill-informed just because I don't agree with your point of view. And judgemental, sure. I'm writing a blog post which give my opinion on whether or not a CSM candidate should be voted for, so it's likely to be judgemental.

By the way, "focussed" is a common way of spelling the word in the UK. Both are acceptable.

And I tell you what. I'll write up my blog as I see things, alright? I write my opinions as they are. If that get's some people's backs up, then too bad, get over it.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#325 - 2015-02-13 15:03:07 UTC
Being a High-Sec dweller myself for a long time with most of my characters and praying that EVE doesn't turn that nerfed Disneyland I will support Tora and Sabriz with my votes to the CSM-X.

EVE need to stay as EVE. The funny thing is:I have trader, mission runner, incursion runner, industrialist and all sort of high-sec professions among my Chars, I fly with DScan everywhere I go, I keep one eye on what I'm doing and the other on local channel and the places where, supposedly, I would not be secure (low and null) are the ones where I'm not that paranoid. yeah, that is true, believe you or not.

About content, was a long time, since INNOMINATE NIGHTMARE, I don't laughed as much as I do when reading Miner Bumping.

Pirate

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#326 - 2015-02-13 15:44:37 UTC
Not convinced that's not a code alt based on language, but I'll bite.

I think quite a lot of people would rather EVE doesn't turn into a "nerfed disneyland". But that's not what Sabriz and Tora stand for. What they want is their playstyles to be the primary playstyles of highsec. If Tora was being honest, he'd realise how badly unbalanced wardecs are and propose heavy rebalances to that.

It really amuses me though that you say that from a character who has always been in an NPC corp. Why no actual corp? Could that be perhaps because entering into a player corp in highsec if you do anything beyond pure PvP is completely pointless, thanks primarily to wardec mechanics?

At the end of the day you can vote for whoever you want. If you think Tora is a good candidate, then go ahead and vote for him. Just remember you're voting for someone who needs to have a wide range of skills - and most importantly needs to be able to maturely handle criticism - and if you vote for someone purely based off of the fact that for the past month he's run a campaign that says "EVE is evil", you are more likely to end up with a dud.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#327 - 2015-02-13 16:17:39 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Not convinced that's not a code alt based on language, but I'll bite.

I think quite a lot of people would rather EVE doesn't turn into a "nerfed disneyland". But that's not what Sabriz and Tora stand for. What they want is their playstyles to be the primary playstyles of highsec. If Tora was being honest, he'd realise how badly unbalanced wardecs are and propose heavy rebalances to that.

It really amuses me though that you say that from a character who has always been in an NPC corp. Why no actual corp? Could that be perhaps because entering into a player corp in highsec if you do anything beyond pure PvP is completely pointless, thanks primarily to wardec mechanics?

At the end of the day you can vote for whoever you want. If you think Tora is a good candidate, then go ahead and vote for him. Just remember you're voting for someone who needs to have a wide range of skills - and most importantly needs to be able to maturely handle criticism - and if you vote for someone purely based off of the fact that for the past month he's run a campaign that says "EVE is evil", you are more likely to end up with a dud.


Haha, yeah, my "engrish" is not that good, perhaps because is not my native language as well? Lol

As I said, believe you or not - Uedama and Halaima are a nightmare for me, but these guys are really active folks that love the game, as much as I do. I've being called an Alt from lots of people in EVE and I would love if that statement was a reality. Unfortunately, I'm an Alt of nobody, even playing EVE since 2006.

In fact, I have several disagreements with Tora and Sabriz. As example, I don't like when Sabriz refers to haulers that take his courier contracts as "useful idiots"... And no, I didn't take any, but I need them too.

I could log on the other accounts with Chars in player corporations and alliances, but this is the one I use on the forum and I will post with him, regardless of what you think.

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)

Sol epoch
HELVEGEN
#328 - 2015-02-13 19:54:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol epoch
Lucas Kell wrote:
This year I'm starting to have a look at the running CSM candidates in a bit more depth, and I've written a short review of your campaign, which can be found here.


A very balanced review that I will endorse.
I also listened to the podcast.

I agree with your final analysis and think he needs to get an agenda without contradiction as this can be seen as weak and people will not be comfortable with it.

I hope he does not take this the wrong way as I know his way of playing and have first hand experience of the way he does things.

As a conclusion I say that Tora is not in the CSM campaign for EVE he is in it for Tora which comes over quite clearly.

Good Advise is free and can come from some unusual areas.
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#329 - 2015-02-13 20:04:45 UTC
If I make it to the CSM, I'll promise never to listen to players like Lucas, Veers and Sol. Blink

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

Sol epoch
HELVEGEN
#330 - 2015-02-13 20:07:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol epoch
Tora Bushido wrote:
If I make it to the CSM, I'll promise never to listen to players like Lucas, Veers and Sol. Blink


Maybe you should be a bit more humble in your approach and not take all that is said as an attack!

In the podcast you stated you listened to people and changed your approach, Maybe the one's you are knocking have some good advice you should take on board just like the population you hope to represent?
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#331 - 2015-02-13 20:38:43 UTC
Sol epoch wrote:
Tora Bushido wrote:
If I make it to the CSM, I'll promise never to listen to players like Lucas, Veers and Sol. Blink
Maybe you should be a bit more humble in your approach and not take all that is said as an attack! In the podcast you stated you listened to people and changed your approach, Maybe the one's you are knocking have some good advice you should take on board just like the population you hope to represent?
Humble, hahaha Big smile I am here for the evil side of Eve, not for the crybabies in game. Twisted

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

Sol epoch
HELVEGEN
#332 - 2015-02-13 23:31:06 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Sol epoch wrote:
Tora Bushido wrote:
If I make it to the CSM, I'll promise never to listen to players like Lucas, Veers and Sol. Blink
Maybe you should be a bit more humble in your approach and not take all that is said as an attack! In the podcast you stated you listened to people and changed your approach, Maybe the one's you are knocking have some good advice you should take on board just like the population you hope to represent?
Humble, hahaha Big smile I am here for the evil side of Eve, not for the crybabies in game. Twisted


And you miss the point again.


Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#333 - 2015-02-13 23:51:57 UTC
Sol epoch wrote:
And you miss the point again.
You know how arrogant that sounds. Think about it Blink

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#334 - 2015-02-14 00:24:57 UTC
Sol epoch wrote:
Tora Bushido wrote:
Sol epoch wrote:
Tora Bushido wrote:
If I make it to the CSM, I'll promise never to listen to players like Lucas, Veers and Sol. Blink
Maybe you should be a bit more humble in your approach and not take all that is said as an attack! In the podcast you stated you listened to people and changed your approach, Maybe the one's you are knocking have some good advice you should take on board just like the population you hope to represent?
Humble, hahaha Big smile I am here for the evil side of Eve, not for the crybabies in game. Twisted


And you miss the point again.

You're missing his point, actually. He's having too much fun watching you squirm to bother explaining it to you, or perhaps he doesn't feel you're worth his time, but I feel your pain so I'll give you a hint: it's all about your attitude. He reads your posts and listens to what you say, and he disagrees with it. Do you have good ideas? Maybe, sometimes definitely yes. Is it presented in an unbiased fashion? Far from it. Your posts have been very self-centered and condescending. You talk like Tora's platform is an affront to everything you hold dear. Maybe you really feel that way, but bringing it into the discussion isn't going to help.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Sol epoch
HELVEGEN
#335 - 2015-02-14 01:07:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol epoch
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Sol epoch wrote:
Tora Bushido wrote:
Sol epoch wrote:
Tora Bushido wrote:
If I make it to the CSM, I'll promise never to listen to players like Lucas, Veers and Sol. Blink
Maybe you should be a bit more humble in your approach and not take all that is said as an attack! In the podcast you stated you listened to people and changed your approach, Maybe the one's you are knocking have some good advice you should take on board just like the population you hope to represent?
Humble, hahaha Big smile I am here for the evil side of Eve, not for the crybabies in game. Twisted


And you miss the point again.

You're missing his point, actually. He's having too much fun watching you squirm to bother explaining it to you, or perhaps he doesn't feel you're worth his time, but I feel your pain so I'll give you a hint: it's all about your attitude. He reads your posts and listens to what you say, and he disagrees with it. Do you have good ideas? Maybe, sometimes definitely yes. Is it presented in an unbiased fashion? Far from it. Your posts have been very self-centered and condescending. You talk like Tora's platform is an affront to everything you hold dear. Maybe you really feel that way, but bringing it into the discussion isn't going to help.


And what exactly is Tora's point?
More to the point what is yours in quoting the above are you Tora's spokesperson?

In your opinion I am being very self-centered and condescending but that is just your opinion wrong nonetheless and nothing more, You are entitled to it as am I or anybody else.

Maybe you also should be a bit more humble in your approach and not take all that is said as an attack!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#336 - 2015-02-14 01:11:46 UTC
Sol epoch wrote:

And what exactly is Tora's point?


I should have thought that was obvious.

You aren't worth consideration.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#337 - 2015-02-14 01:12:03 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
You're missing his point, actually. He's having too much fun watching you squirm to bother explaining it to you, or perhaps he doesn't feel you're worth his time, but I feel your pain so I'll give you a hint: it's all about your attitude. He reads your posts and listens to what you say, and he disagrees with it. Do you have good ideas? Maybe, sometimes definitely yes. Is it presented in an unbiased fashion? Far from it. Your posts have been very self-centered and condescending. You talk like Tora's platform is an affront to everything you hold dear. Maybe you really feel that way, but bringing it into the discussion isn't going to help.
Actually it's just another example of a player criticising Tora where he has put himself in a position to be criticised and judged. Then rather than responding in a mature way, Tora has tried to make a joke of it or simply insulted the players in question. This is not a new trait, and it's certainly not something I'd expect to see from someone running for a CSM position. Of course Tora can't see this, because in his mind he's perfect and it's the rest of us that must be flawed.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#338 - 2015-02-14 01:38:28 UTC
Sol epoch wrote:
And what exactly is Tora's point?
More to the point what is yours in quoting the above are you Tora's spokesperson?

In your opinion I am being very self-centered and condescending but that is just your opinion wrong nonetheless and nothing more, You are entitled to it as am I or anybody else.

Maybe you also should be a bit more humble in your approach and not take all that is said as an attack!

I'm just trying to give you some advice. You seem to be failing to get the kind of response you want out of Tora. I've already discussed things with him in a civil manner and he has responded to me with seriousness. He doesn't take you seriously and I'm telling you why. You can continue along the path you are on and expect the same outcomes, or you can change what you are doing to change your outcome.

I'm satisfied with what I'm getting, Tora is apparently satisfied with what his responses are getting. There's my advice. Take it or leave it.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#339 - 2015-02-14 14:55:24 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
AFK, while in Space, on the same grid
If you’re logged in and undocked, I think you should also be active behind the keyboard. Players should press a notification button every 30 minutes if they are still on the same grid in space. One of the reasons I think people go AFK while mining...

Miners, mercs and gankers in hisec arent the only players in game. What about players who live in space where it is not possible to dock (like wormholes or hostile null) and uncloaking = death?
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#340 - 2015-02-14 15:05:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tora Bushido
I used to fly in wh space for a few years and I understand they don't have much other options then to be cloaked in space. Sometimes for longer periods to get fleets in the wh's. Then you're not just sitting still without a good reason. In most cases you will be flying around, checking posses, statics etc. Not sure if you'll sit still on grid for longer then 30min much ?

And I am not saying you cant be cloaked..... I love cloaks Twisted

I would be happy if it was just implemented for high-sec, where the risk of dying is way less.

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.