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A pamphlet found in stations

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Rictor Thellere
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-02-10 16:17:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Rictor Thellere
Keep the Belts FREE! Say no to Extortionist schemes
(Second Edition)
==========================================

As you probably know there are a number of groups trying to lay 'claim'
to High security , and low Security belts*. Requiring Miners to pay extortion
in the form of 'licenses and permits'.

This is a violation of basic Capsuleer rights!
the Belts must be FREE to use!

What can you do about it?

Patrol Belts, being as non-disruptive as possible to the miners while doing so,
and respond to extortion attempts.

Example:

While patrolling a belt I observe a Catalyst warp in and demand payment of a license fee from a miner.

My response:

1. Lock on immediately to the interloper and inform them that this belt is FREE.

If in Highsec I take no further action unless they aggress, if they do I engage EWAR while Concord mops them up..

if in Lowsec I fire at will.

either way I will post their actions for public view.

**Note our duty extends only to insuring the FREE use of the belts, Miners are responsible
for remaining alert and protecting themselves**.



*only in Wormhole and so called "Null" security systems can anyone lay claim to Owning asteroid, gas clouds, and ice belts.
Darsena Izuma
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-02-10 17:17:22 UTC
Did the pamphlet say who the publisher is? I have run, in the past, with some folks determined to protect miners in high security space, and while I've come to disagree with their methods, I do still appreciate the sentiment behind their work.

Anyway, I find this particular pamphlet to be a bit... impractical. In high security space, it simply seems like a useless gesture. The offending "catalyst" attacking a miner will either be able to destroy the miner with one volley or not. If not, the offender will be destroyed by CONCORD shortly thereafter, and the help of some random capsuleer is not required. On the other hand, should the catalyst be able to destroy the miner with one shot, he or she will still be destroyed by CONCORD, and either way, your participation in the conflict would be superfluous at best, neither stopping the destruction of the miner, nor substantially contributing to the punishment of the offender.

(I suppose I could see some value in patrolling asteroid belts on the lookout for confederates of the offender looking to loot the wrecks, to ensure that these are brought to justice. Still, it seems like a huge time investment for little return.)

--

Now, in low-sec, I can see this strategy being useful, if you really wish to promote some sort of "asteroids are free" philosophy. Again, though, it seems like a very time-consuming crusade, but it's your time to waste. I still think that a much better use of one's time would be to teach miners (especially newer capsuleers who have decided to make a go of it in this career) how to properly fit their craft to survive an alpha strike against such an enemy, so that they can simply laugh at any such extortion attempts and continue on their merry way. That's the best way to protect the miners who work so hard for all of us in the higher-security systems and keep our economy strong.

Fedo are not what they seem to be.  Welcome to Night Vale.

Jukko Riis
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-02-10 19:56:14 UTC
CONCORD aren't always as diligent as they should be.

The onus is completely on the miners in question to be able to protect themselves. Every time you undock, you're at risk, no matter what system you're in. So stay alert, stay aligned to your station and DO NOT NAP.

But I really hate extortionists.

So if you're a miner in the Black Rise area and someone tries to extort or attack you, drop me a line.




Rictor Thellere
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-02-11 14:19:18 UTC
CONCORD only ever acts after the fact,
it can do nothing to prevent.

This idea at least gives those that would do this sort of thing something to think about,
given most extortionists are utter cowards.

That's got to be worth something.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#5 - 2015-02-12 14:58:12 UTC
Capsuleers have only what rights we are willing to fight to protect. Insofar as that's what this pamphlet advocates, I support that message.

Tactics wise, I'd recommend an EWAR platform instead for highsec operations. Lock up the "extortionists" and jam them out as soon as they aggress and go suspect, then wait for CONCORD to do the dirty work. If they have the raw alpha strike to destroy a mining vessel in one shot, there's not much to do other than tell the folks you're guarding not to fly with paper tanks.
Rictor Thellere
Doomheim
#6 - 2015-02-12 16:13:45 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Capsuleers have only what rights we are willing to fight to protect. Insofar as that's what this pamphlet advocates, I support that message.

Tactics wise, I'd recommend an EWAR platform instead for highsec operations. Lock up the "extortionists" and jam them out as soon as they aggress and go suspect, then wait for CONCORD to do the dirty work. If they have the raw alpha strike to destroy a mining vessel in one shot, there's not much to do other than tell the folks you're guarding not to fly with paper tanks.



That's quite reasonable.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-02-13 13:08:21 UTC
Rictor Thellere wrote:

As you probably know there are a number of groups trying to lay 'claim'
to High security , and low Security belts*.

They are called pirates.
Feel free to shoot at this filth at will and clean belts from their infestations.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Rictor Thellere
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-02-13 16:56:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Rictor Thellere
Diana Kim wrote:
Rictor Thellere wrote:

As you probably know there are a number of groups trying to lay 'claim'
to High security , and low Security belts*.

They are called pirates.
Feel free to shoot at this filth at will and clean belts from their infestations.



Was wondering how long it was going to take the infamous Kim to grace this discussion.

Actually per the information in the pamphlet "Pirates" are not the focus of attention


"As you probably know there are a number of groups trying to lay 'claim'
to High security , and low Security belts*. Requiring Miners to pay extortion
in the form of 'licenses and permits'."

Is the full quote.

Defense from outright piracy is a miners responsibility...

Those that extort and otherwise limit the free use of natural resources are the concern here.
Note I said Free use, not safe use .. as again the latter is the miners responsibility.


Thank you Ms. Kim by the way for your address... My pamphlet is sure to now become a top readers list item.
Aden Ordinii
Mars-Alpha Works
#9 - 2015-02-13 19:03:58 UTC
I have encounterd numerous times these groups out there and shot them. Endles times to no avail, my best guess they must be in with sansha, because what crew hires on a suicide gun run ship? could this be a covert ops from sansha nation? useing slaves for crews? anyway if those crims enter belt shoot them..if you encounter them in space shoot them. enought said
Rictor Thellere
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-02-13 20:01:37 UTC
One or even two Capsuleers taking a stand against this assault on freedom is not going to have much effect,
but a hundred... that's a movement and the idea behind this pamphlet.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#11 - 2015-02-13 20:35:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Erica Dusette
I have zero interest in Empire goings-on and really don't care what happens to people there. But ...

Rictor Thellere wrote:
*only in Wormhole and so called "Null" security systems can anyone lay claim to Owning asteroid, gas clouds, and ice belts.

This warmed my cold, cryo-frozen heart, Mr Thellere.

Someone who gets it.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

worмнole dιary + cнaracтer вιoѕвσss

Rictor Thellere
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-02-13 21:17:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Rictor Thellere
I may be an idealist dreamer, but that doesn't prevent me from acknowledging some basic facts of life...
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#13 - 2015-02-13 21:30:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Erica Dusette
Interesting.

You do understand that very logic though can also work to support that which you, or rather the publishers of that pamphlet, oppose?

Just an observation. In anycase I like your attitude, sir.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

worмнole dιary + cнaracтer вιoѕвσss

Vector Symian
0 Fear
#14 - 2015-02-15 04:43:09 UTC
Good sir the project community stand for the rights of its capseleer and actively attempts weakens these attacks

we are a community that respects all play style but have found the publishers have gone to far with their code and do not respect the base principle of their eve style

it is coming to be seen as an issue and a rehabilitation program for both sides of the conflict has been set into motion

o7

Good Day
AetheroToland
Dai Gurren
#15 - 2015-02-23 03:21:58 UTC
DG and the FBA stand ready to engage aggressors for any reason. Pirates play Eve their way, we play Eve our way. We look forward to burning injustice wherever it may take root.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-02-24 13:19:39 UTC
Rictor Thellere wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Rictor Thellere wrote:

As you probably know there are a number of groups trying to lay 'claim'
to High security , and low Security belts*.

They are called pirates.
Feel free to shoot at this filth at will and clean belts from their infestations.



Was wondering how long it was going to take the infamous Kim to grace this discussion.

Actually per the information in the pamphlet "Pirates" are not the focus of attention


"As you probably know there are a number of groups trying to lay 'claim'
to High security , and low Security belts*. Requiring Miners to pay extortion
in the form of 'licenses and permits'."

Is the full quote.

Defense from outright piracy is a miners responsibility...

Those that extort and otherwise limit the free use of natural resources are the concern here.
Note I said Free use, not safe use .. as again the latter is the miners responsibility.


Thank you Ms. Kim by the way for your address... My pamphlet is sure to now become a top readers list item.

Please excuse me for not using the full quote.

All the belts in the high security and low security space belong to CONCORD and respective Empires. Trying to claim these resources for your own is a criminal offense.
You have no way to defend these your assets without committing a crime of piracy against ships, that mine these resources. Those, who commit such crimes are pirates and thus are free to be hunted down and eliminated.

Please take a note, that a racketeering is a criminal offense as well, but not as severe as piracy, and CONCORD might or might not accept charges against racketeers.

If any of racketeers are pestering you, either open fire on them first, or tell them to go *censored* themselves, and if they will commit an act of piracy - destroy them.

Please remember, that although empires and CONCORD install defensive measures, they have basically no effect, unless civilians will report crimes and take responsibility on dealing with criminals. Nobody is going to put a cop on top of every asteroid.

Please do your civilian duty, report criminal offenses and take measures against offenders. If you will do it according to the law, CONCORD and local police will be able to support you.

Have a nice day and fly safe.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.