Ships & Modules

Where do you get the extra PG from? No medium neut? 5% grid implant? If you don't care about tank, why not just use polycarb rigs, which give you near identical end-result, without having to deal with expensive implants or goofy Vaga fit?

Yes, i´m arguing JUST THAT!
You and anyone else are free to refute my arguments anytime, but you have to prove that
capfree weapons, the fastest and most agile ships, multiple damage types and utility highs aren´t optimizations for close combat and
you have to prove that Gallente ships and weapons have characteristics like that which are making them especially suited for close combat.

If you can´t do that, i am right and you are wrong.
Just crying the fanboi no isn´t going to cut it.

cause balance is:
-keep matar go faster than the other by 30%
-keep matar shot twice as far as gall
-keep matar have more tank than gall or caldari

A few comments:
- Its kinda rare to actually be capped all the way out, and that's the only time that I really notice blasters being problematic. Even in a 1v1 Harpy vs dual neut Rupture I was able to keep my guns and shield booster going long enough to win.
- Multiple damage types are nice, but you have to remember the 10 second delay to switch. Load up Fusion to hit that armor tanked cruiser and now you're at a big damage deficit when shooting the Drake that lands on top of you. PP is a great middling choice (sans T2 Caldari/Gallente) - but at that point you have no damage type "advantage" over blasters.
- Utility highs ARE NOT that great for a brawl. What is important is DPS and Tank - either by virtue of EHP or of active tanking. I notice that you left these primary considerations out.

Frankly, you arguing that gallente ships aren't suited to close combat is... well, ******* hilarious.

-Liang

lol

I'm still waiting for you to prove your side of the argument. Until that happens, there is no point in having a discussion with you. You crying that you are right and we are wrong just because you say so is just as asinine.

You have yet to explain how the higher damage output at brawling ranges and higher tank makes Gallente a subpar brawler compared to Minmatars weaker tank and weaker damage at brawling range. (See what I did there?)

especially as a single frig would be able to kill that brutix fit, no web no small drones no neut ,yeah better suited for brawling than matard...

btw why didnt lilung fly a blaster boat as those are more suitable for the job?:O hypocrite a little bit...

Well, in a 1vs1 it´s not that a big issue, that´s right, the opponent would need to be a class bigger to really hurt you this way. But it is getting more effective with more people. I´ve seen small gang fights where the proper use of neuts meant neutralizing the enemies firepower twice as fast because when working together additionally to destroying ships they kept other opponents capped out. Not permanently perhaps, but it certainly gave them an advantage.

Usually gangs are rather uniformly armor or shield, so you can get better results with multiple damage types, if not, well you can´t have everything, some fights will be fought with PP. Also there are T2 ships, and against them the multiple damage thing shines.

I never stated that utility highs are something like a magic key for close combat, just something that can come in quite handy often and can -especially when used in gangs- cause major headaches for the enemies. More would be too much.

I left EHP and DPS out because those aren´t really basic design characteristics. Amarr also have much EHP and DPS but that doesn´t mean that they are now super brawlers. How you fly them, whether they are better suited for kiting, close combat or sniping or whatever, aren´t really determined by such but rather if the design of the weapon/ship combo does support you solving the problems you are facing when employing a certain tactic.
Example: when doing close combat you are facing problems:
you need to get into range, so how does the weapon/ship combo helping you doing that?
you work exclusively within neut/nos range, how does the weapon/ship combo helping you with this?
and so on...
the more of these problems are adressed by the ship/weapon combo, the better suited it is for that purpose. this is the basic design, the stuff that makes a race, faction or whatever unique. ehp and dps are secondary values that gets balanced after the basic design is completed. those values aren´t tied to a specific tactic or role but are applying to every ship and every tactic in the game, after all.

Your answer why the Gallente are especially suited for close combat is unsatisfactory. You have not stated a single point of the basic design that is supporting close combat.
Well, to be fair, it doesn´t exist, so it would be impossible for you. The Gallente do not have even one characteristic available only to them that makes them suited for close combat.

This thread is amazing.

My thread was hijacked!

In other words, the AC boat has only advantage outside web & scram range, and if the AC boat does not pop before getting out of tackle range, it may have a chance of competing in the dps race.