Player Features and Ideas Discussion

When I have the option to unsub for the duration of a war dec, do whatever.

Most of CAS content is handled through private chat channels anyway.

There are a lot of people who don't want to leave their starter corp behind, yes, and although we have tried to create public channels they are simply not well known about because there aren't the facilities in the starter corps to organise such a thing. While it may be of no benefit for yourself it doesn't mean it doesn't have a benefit.

Maybe for most NPC corps that is the case, but for us CAS members it's a whole different story. There are even player corps for CAS members who left CAS but want to still be part of the community. There is CAS, and then there is all the other NPC corps lol!

I disagree with the whole gist of this op's thread. high sec should not be smaller especially due to the fact that it houses 80% of the player base.. High sec should not be null sec lite.. should not be thought of as noob training wheels... should not be broken into small pockets of unplayable safe space for week olds only. Avoiding wardecs is not the main reason people stay or move into npc corps... community, anonymity, and lack of commitment to a direction are the primary reasons people stay in NPC corps.

High sec should be an equivalent yet entirely different style of play to low sec or null sec. Currently high sec and even NPC corps are not the panacea of 100% safe play you are supposing them to be. Lore supports high sec as it is. If you kill high sec you kill EVE.

Estimates of high sec's profitability are wildly exaggerated. Sure, the dedicated and the obsessed and those with a knack for certain trades can make money hand over fist in high sec, because in Jita as in Vegas the smart money is on the gamblers, not on the game.

But for every one of those, and for every pilot in a blinged-out Nightmare sleepwalking through another Incursion site, and for every pilot painstakingly min/maxing their Sisters of EVE L4s, there are hundreds or thousands of high sec dwellers making their money from bounties and (LOL) salvage, sitting on mountains of LP that they either don't know what to do with or can't be bothered to take advantage of because :effort:, selling to whatever buy order is around as long as the offer isn't completely insulting, and so on. I remember CCP publishing the amount in the average EVE player's wallet one Fanfest, and it was not a lot of ISK.

Just as there are many more people in Vegas playing the games than there are people playing the players.

I think the bandied about figures can account for active time.

When you are as comfortable and safe as you can get, earning more than most anywhere else, without any limitations;
what motivates you to move out?

NPC corps are like the parent's home that doesn't kick the kids out.

Again with the inflated ideas of how fast money can be made in high sec by the average player. Setting aside a few notable exceptions like Incursion runners the balance between the cost of ships used and the ISK per hour is reasonably well balanced across ALL of the EvE universe.

I specifically want to deal with this idea of "motivating" players to move out of high sec.
There is nothing you can change about high sec that will "motivate" players to move into low or nul, move them out of the game yes but not into low or nul. If you want the players out of high sec then you NEED to change low and nul so that people want to be there instead.

It was posted above that they lead a group of players into nul and those players were amazed at what they see, this is exactly the type of thing that needs to happen. The problem here is that these things are often done by players like myself and there is always the risk that the corp/alliance that holds sov will take exception to you being there and wipe you all out. On the other hand if these nul excursions were done by the corps/alliances and they offered up some protection instead of treating all these players as easy targets one has to wonder what that would do for getting players into nul?

Low sec is the same way, my former nul charcter is currently in a low sec corp/alliance and it is significantly more fun than nul.
Even so the majority of the players in low treat everyone that is not a part of their corp/alliance as a target. Like nul what would happen to low if those who call it home offered up these tours of low sec life in as safe a manor as possible instead of treating everyone as a target?

While you rail on about how we need to get players out of high sec and what we need to change to force them out the reverse is actually the truth. We need more opportunities like the examples above so players are encouraged to leave high sec, but then that would require a significant change in the way the low and nul sec players actually play the game and I wonder if they are willing to do it?

I believe that to social interaction being cultivated by Npc Communities, The Scope Project and CAS academy is the solution you require

Vapor Ventrillian is proactively getting people to enjoy the fleet Mechanics and more exciting aspects of eve using the social interaction to draw people deeper into the gameplay

1- Npc corps and the starting points for new corporations and alliances

2- They are the breeding grounds of new ideas and concepts that is rivalled by none

3- It forces people of opposing views to debate themselves into exhaustion which can lead to a mutually respectful relationship "I may not agree with you but that doesn't mean I don't trust you'll warn me when a gankers coming"

4- It is already suffering from an 11% tax something I intend to petition

5- People need to be allowed to ignore the political crap that goes on if that is their wish -their are levels to this game and as a game do as they would wish

6- The Scope chat in particular is know for its no holds barred chat and it gives the noob a very clear reality of what can happen by explaining the darker side of eve with humour and light trolling

Summery-

The Np corps are not only awesome but they are a fundamental institution that has kept bitter vets and noobs entertained for years

This is very easy.
Characters older than 6 months could just get a message :
"Your Emperor / President requires help in fight against XX , you are being delegated to YYYY FW corp"

To summarize if you are older than 6 month every time you are out of player corporation you are being transferred to FW militia NPC corporation.