EVE New Citizens Q&A

Confirming I am be no means a carebear but do occasionally get my cearbear on ,
admittedly in a fill PvP fit ship but still.

I dear you to call my pve Ships a bear ships when they have tackle, omni tank and neuts Regardless of what I'm doing in them.

Good point. I tend to behave in game similarly to how I do IRL my mistake for commenting as if other's did. However my reasons for not liking PvP are RL related.

I've done far riskier in my youth and I am still here.

Again you are assuming that wimp = risk averse when it does not. What I have been trying to point out with defining some one that does not like to PvP is that just because one does not want to PvP does not mean that they are afraid to loose nor afraid to take chances. It is possible that someone does not like to PvP for those reasons but that is not inherently the case. It seems to me that in this thread some people have wanted to make carebears "the boogie man" and just lump into that category every type of personal trait that they don't like. I am trying to get carebear down to specific defining characteristics.

So going back to the original carebears while I am sure that they were probably wimpy I doubt that they ever asked anyone to change game mechanics for them. So I will agree with wimpy but not the sense of entitlement that you would like to add on that I don't believe has any place.

Not sure where you are getting "feels entitled" or "whines publicly" with definition of carebear. Many carebears may do that but how is that a defining characteristic? On the original show were the carebears whinny and entitled? Or were they just wimpy and soft?

I thumbsed-up this post but want to point out a few things.

The OP asked what a carebear was so the thread is trying to define a carebear. So I don't think this is arguing so much as trying to come to some type of consensus on what defines a carebear. That requires some discussion and back and forth to determine. There can't really be a winner or looser we have to come to common agreement on the definition or we can't use the word.

Also calling carebear a derogatory term and then saying "Whether or not it's a bad thing...that depends on your point of view" is kind of contradictory.

However the rest of what you put forth here I really like.

Not all PvP is risk taking:

CODE ganking mining barges in hisec involves no risk at all, they know exactly what ships they will kill and how many catalysts they lose doing it.


Not all PvE is risk adverse:

One of my alts needed to move well over half a bill worth of PI out of losec last night and I simply did not have time to make multiple runs in the Viator so loaded the lot in a warp stabbed Epithal and made a run for it.

Copy-and pasted from my old post:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4323412#post4323412


A few common signs of carebear, in my opinion:

* It is almost as though their real-life (AFK) self worth is related to their character's assets and ISK.

* They have an extreme aversion to any loss or risk. They never see it as the cost of having fun or a new or different experience.

* They don't accept responsibility for their own actions or inaction. If they make a mistake, or do nothing to prevent something bad happening, they always blame others.

* They complain about game mechanics that don't benefit themselves, yet completely ignore the gameplay of others that may benefit from the same game mechanics.

* They respond to a wardec with outrage, rather than preparing for war.

* They rarely if ever ask or accept advice on how to improve their EVE experience.

* They consider themselves disadvantaged, be it ISK, skill, pilots, etc., rather than trying to be creative or even accepting their position and working within the limitations.

I've lived about half my >5 year EVE life in hisec. I like to do manufacturing, mining, hauling, and missions. My killboard is pathetic, and dominated by losses. I figure if I ever end up with only a rookie ship to my name, I can recover from that, and I just hope there will be an epic story to tell about how it happened. I do not consider myself a carebear.

For me, it is just another common term used to classify a specific play style in online gaming. Like most words, the context in which it is applied can easily skew the definition depending on those involved.


Here is a definition that I feel applies best to this context.
Carebear - A word used to demonstrate a clash in ideologies between multiple play styles regarding how a game should be played.

Synonyms: Casual, ?? ( Hard to think of any others, as it is so widely used and many times in derogatory fashion)

Antonyms: Hardcore, (Elitist : Is this like "carebear" in that it can be viewed as a derogatory term also)?

In EVE: Anyone who isn't an Elitist.

Thats my try at it, but my sleeping pill is in full effect and its time for me to crash.

My take: if you never whine, you probably are not a carebear, no matter what you choose to do in-game.

But PVP is more fun. :)

Removed some off topic posts. Keep it on topic and civil, and leave politics on a different forum. Maybe reddit or something. Thanks.

Color me guilty here of not reading every post, so please excuse if I am doubling up or missed something.

I agree with the rest, you are not a carebear, even if you were it is not relevant. This is a game, you pay your money and if you are having fun then that is all that matters and to hell with what others say.

The corp this character is in does some early skills training for new or new to PvP characters that eventually end up with friends in low/nul. Thanks to those contacts we have what they think is a decent set of more advanced skills for new PvP pilots to add to their training. I offer that list here for you and if any of the others want to comment, have suggestions or even use the list for their own purposes I am all for it.

There is no specific order we recommend training these in since a lot of that depends on the ships you will fly and the roles you will fill. You can find the basic support skills required for these by looking at the pre-reqs for each one. Or PM me and I will send you our core skills list. If others would like to see it I will post it here for all but for now I will not waste the space.

One last caution we give. Level 5 skills are nice, but usually there is more to be gained by training a broader and more complete set of skills to level 4, than a few specific skills to level 5 so watch that carefully.

Evasive maneuvering 4
Acceleration control 4
Fuel conservation 4
Warp drive operation 4
Target Management 4
Long Range Targeting 4
Signature analysis 4

Depnding on the ships you fly
Gravemetric sensor compensation 4
Ladar sensor compensation 4
Magnetometric sensor compensation 4
Radar sensor compensation 4

Weapons upgrades 5
Advanced weapons upgrades 4
Motion prediction 4

For guns and lasers
Rapid firing 4

For missiles
Rapid Launch 4

Sharpshooter 4
Surgical strike 4
Trajectory analysis 4
Propulsion jamming 4
Nanite interfacing 4
Nanite operation 4
Thermal dynamics 4