EVE General Discussion

No, I just don't let your bullshit stand without being called it.



No, that statement in and of itself would not constitute this argument. But what you originally said does.




Everything you've said here is an implication that your methods are full proof and have no counter.

Kaarous Aldurald
"Color me surprised that you said something that dumb."

Color me surprised that you aren't man enough to admit that your original statements were nothing but trolling.

You wouldn't even know what they are. You aren't actually arguing, just mouthing off without any actual substance.

You have outright admitted this. You have no facts, no proof, and no value in anything you say. Merely some rambling about a perfect gank method, that you blatantly failed to materialize on.

Pathetic. Even Lucas, as banal as he is, is better than this.

Did they say what the strategy was? I've been thinking about ways you could reliably kill a tanked, escorted freighter and have been coming up with nothing.

This is what we have so far, though I will refrain from commenting on the efficiency of this and will leave that to the "experts".

Regardless of whether the specific tactic of webbing a freighter into warp is counterable or not (it is), that does not change the fact that being ganked is 100% avoidable. Those two things are not contradictory.

If you are ganked in highsec, it is your own fault. Period.

Funny, considering none of what I originally posted would necessitate me to be an expert on ganking considering I made no comments about how to do it, counter it, or anything related to why people do it.

Apparently you aren't an expert on ganking or counter ganking since this very suggestion was offered to Kaarous Aldurald and yet he labeled it as moronic.

People like this cling to a corner of an idea (in this case, the idea that a gank cannot be avoided) because deep down they know that if they accept the actual truth, not even their lie-happy way of thinking will save them from being wrong.

Somehow I've flown industrial, shiny incursion ships (5+ bil vindicator for example), freighters, a jump freighter, and my mission pirate battleships and marauders for 8 years and haven't been ganked, but according to some, that's not even possible. If they let go of the lies they tell themselves and embrace just a fraction of creative thought and self reliance, there'd never be a problem. But for some reason, they can't and that's crazy to me.

I'd considered various ewar and nothing would be effective.

Damps with resolution scripts will only work if you react to, lock and begin damps before the webber even begins lcking the freighter plus, consider the freighter's size it's unlikely you'll have any impact before he gains a lock.

Damps with range scripts are easily countered with sebos. Considering that you're really going to be trying to get the webber below 10km targeting range to have any notable effect I can't say this is a decent strategy.

ECM on a bonused ship would be effective, particularly when combined with a space yurt to allow the pilot to quickly switch his fit as scouts provide intel on the webber target. The trouble with this is that there'll be a bonused ship with a space yurt hanging around the gate - a huge telltale sign that a potential webber counter is in play. Not only this, but the ship must survive for long enough for the bumpers to start doing their thing. Frigates don't have a great life expectancy when up against gate guns.

Anything with a cloak to prevent giving the game away isn't goin g to help thanks to targeting delay and the fact that cloaky ships have dire tanks (plus it's kinda pricey to suicide such a ship just for an opportunity to suicide gank).

Here's a real oddball solution:

[Sigil - LOLtackle]
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Emergency Damage Control I
Experimental Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Prototype Armor Kinetic Hardener I
Prototype Armor Explosive Hardener I
Initiated Warp Disruptor I
Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I
Alumel-Wired Sensor Augmentation,Scan Resolution Script
Alumel-Wired Sensor Augmentation,Scan Resolution Script
280mm Howitzer Artillery I,EMP S

Use it to just plain tackle the frieghter. It's cheap and has a massive tank for the price tag. Easy to fit. Capstable until you need the disruptor. Strong vs ECM (you can swap out an ECCM for another sebo if desired). Doesn't raise suspicion, being a hauler.

The downsides are really quite numerous. This just gives you a chance to establish bump-tackle, nothing more. It's also a pain the behind to manage the kill rights and your sec status which will need to be high enough so that you're not forced to deal with FacPo.

To be frank, Mag's has already perfectly stated why this solution isn't feasible either: " why bother when there are far more easier targets around?"

The targets this ship can help bring down are smarter than your average freighter pilot. They not only have over twice the EHP and an escort, but they won't have overstuffed their ship with goodies either. The result is significantly more effort to try and get a reward that in all likelihood, isn't as high as what you'd get from your average autopiloting moron.

It's all very well and good to say that this might actually help kill a safely flown freighter, but the fact of the matter is, there are always going to be morons out there that are much more profitable to shoot and easier to kill.


This is a PvP game. Someone saw you'd made a mistake and killed you. Do better and it won't happen.

If your goal is to not die, then yes it is.