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Antagonistic
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-21 04:33:16 UTC
Been out of game for a while now and wanna know some information while using as few resources as possible. Hence why I turned to the forums.....

Whos the new Flava "o" the Month?

Also. Have they fixed the fall off problem yet for projectile? I miss my vaga
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-12-21 04:36:29 UTC
Or you didn't play for the past 5 years or your a TROLL.
Julia Connor
P R O M E T H E U S
From Anoikis
#3 - 2011-12-21 05:55:05 UTC
Winmatar. Big smile
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#4 - 2011-12-21 05:55:48 UTC
The Vagabond is total ****. Buy a Cynabal or Huggabond (Loki) :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Goose99
#5 - 2011-12-21 06:00:03 UTC
Cynabal = Winmatar defined.Cool
GenesisMike
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-12-21 06:09:34 UTC
Cyn's are pretty tough. Honestly though Minn BC's and smaller are still very effective and broadly used in my experience lately. Then again I always say fly whatever you want and have fun. Legion's anyone?? :)
ElCholo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-12-21 07:13:05 UTC
Depends on what you want to do. Nano isn't as terrible as it was after the nano-nerf. Blasters are now pretty viable since the blaster-buff.

The Curse is still the end all, be all, anything solo will run from you.

Drake is still a fairly forgivable ship to fly which can do well bricked or nano.

Hurricane is still doing good, good enough that a ton of nerfmatards think it needs to be nerf'd.

It depends on if you are running cheap, solo, small gang, etc.

100mn Tengu is an amazing ship these days.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#8 - 2011-12-21 10:40:42 UTC
Cynabal isn't Minmatar.

Its Angel which is Gallente/Minmatar.

Funny how people complaining about Min ships always like to lump the Dram and Cynabal into that group.
Huntress Huntress
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-12-21 11:01:07 UTC
Electronic Attack Frigates are the new hotness.

True story.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-12-21 13:59:33 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:

Funny how people complaining about Min ships always like to lump the Dram and Cynabal into that group.

cause those are winmatard ships
Kulsto Ribro
Deep Space Legacy
#11 - 2011-12-21 16:49:55 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Cynabal isn't Minmatar.

Its Angel which is Gallente/Minmatar.

Funny how people complaining about Min ships always like to lump the Dram and Cynabal into that group.


To be fair most complaints are more aimed towards projectiles than matar hulls, and the angel ships also uses projs.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#12 - 2011-12-21 17:12:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
Liang Nuren wrote:
The Vagabond is total ****. Buy a Cynabal or Huggabond (Loki) :)

-Liang


Orly? I thought Deimos is better now? Cool

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-12-21 17:41:26 UTC
Kulsto Ribro wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Cynabal isn't Minmatar.

Its Angel which is Gallente/Minmatar.

Funny how people complaining about Min ships always like to lump the Dram and Cynabal into that group.


To be fair most complaints are more aimed towards projectiles than matar hulls, and the angel ships also uses projs.



Generally all they whine about is usually the angle ships and vaga.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-12-21 18:06:30 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Kulsto Ribro wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Cynabal isn't Minmatar.

Its Angel which is Gallente/Minmatar.

Funny how people complaining about Min ships always like to lump the Dram and Cynabal into that group.


To be fair most complaints are more aimed towards projectiles than matar hulls, and the angel ships also uses projs.



Generally all they whine about is usually the angle ships and vaga.

Which is hilarious, because the Hurricane could be said to be more OP than any of them (armor 'Cane > armor Harbinger in more ways than one, I betcha...)
Vanessa Vale
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-12-21 23:02:16 UTC
Long range webs everywhere and overloaded propulsion mods kicked one of minnie's traditional advantages in the nuts in the smallish hull range.

The other traditional advantage aka "flexibility", tho, we still maintain. We can enjoy flying ships with split weapon systems so that we can put more SPs and waste more lows just to approach other races.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#16 - 2011-12-22 00:15:51 UTC
Wacktopia wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
The Vagabond is total ****. Buy a Cynabal or Huggabond (Loki) :)

-Liang


Orly? I thought Deimos is better now? Cool


I always thought your reading comprehension was better than that. The proper conclusion was that the Deimos puts out more DPS at meaningful ranges while maintaining an equivalent tank and pretty damn good mobility. This means that the Deimos is certainly competitive in the realm of nano HAC faggotry.

Remember, the down side was that you traded away some speed (not agility) and shield EHP (not total EHP) for dramatically better damage.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Goose99
#17 - 2011-12-22 00:22:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
Liang Nuren wrote:
Wacktopia wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
The Vagabond is total ****. Buy a Cynabal or Huggabond (Loki) :)

-Liang


Orly? I thought Deimos is better now? Cool


I always thought your reading comprehension was better than that. The proper conclusion was that the Deimos puts out more DPS at meaningful ranges while maintaining an equivalent tank and pretty damn good mobility. This means that the Deimos is certainly competitive in the realm of nano HAC faggotry.

Remember, the down side was that you traded away some speed (not agility) and shield EHP (not total EHP) for dramatically better damage.

-Liang


Please define "meaningful ranges" and "damn good mobility" used to apply this "dramatically better damage."Lol
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#18 - 2011-12-22 00:24:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Goose99 wrote:
Please define "meaningful ranges" and "damn good mobility."Lol


So it just so happens I have these numbers somewhat handy despite being at work. It looks like the Deimos outdamages the Vaga out to 27km and can go up to 2400 m/s.

-Liang

Ed: Hey BTW, I was on in Amamake all night last night waiting for you to show up in a Vagabond and show me how it beats a Deimos.

You never showed up.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Goose99
#19 - 2011-12-22 00:36:50 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Please define "meaningful ranges" and "damn good mobility."Lol


So it just so happens I have these numbers somewhat handy despite being at work. It looks like the Deimos outdamages the Vaga out to 27km and can go up to 2400 m/s.

-Liang

Ed: Hey BTW, I was on in Amamake all night last night waiting for you to show up in a Vagabond and show me how it beats a Deimos.

You never showed up.


Oh? Maybe I did show up. Vaga, or Winmatar in general, isn't exactly rare. Not sure of the neighborhood though, tbh. Eve has local cultures. Don't tell me you actually undocked in a Diemost. Did it pop?Lol

In any case, how do you get 2.4km/s out of a Diemost? It should be 2km/s with 2 nanos. Deadspace mwd? More than 2 nanos? Overheat? Regardless, it's not going to catch vaga or cynabal that goes to 3km/s with normal mwd without overheat. As for more dps at 27km, is that neutrons with stacked tes and null against failfit with low range ac ammo?Roll
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#20 - 2011-12-22 00:39:02 UTC
Goose99 wrote:

Oh? Maybe I did show up. Vaga, or Winmatar in general, isn't exactly rare. Not sure of the neighborhood though, tbh. Eve has local cultures. Don't tell me you actually undocked in a Diemost. Did it pop?Lol

In any case, how do you get 2.4km/s out of a Diemost? It should be 2km/s with 2 nanos. Deadspace mwd? More than 2 nanos? Overheat? Regardless, it's not going to catch vaga or cynabal that goes to 3km/s with normal mwd without overheat. As for more dps at 27km, is that neutrons with stacked tes and null against failfit with low range ac ammo?Roll


There wasn't a Vagabond in system all night. You didn't show up. Also, feel free to come show me that I'll never catch a Vaga. :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
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