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High sec data and relic sites

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Bull Worth
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-01-24 22:34:02 UTC
Hello folks,

For you explorers out there, do the high sec data and relic sites even offer enough reward anymore to even bother finishing the scan?

Maybe I am very unlucky but they dont seem worth the time to even visit them.

Should this be the case, I hope the developers bump them up a bit some time otherwise its just wasted content.
Kenneth Endashi
Kor-Azor Slave Holdings
#2 - 2015-01-24 23:01:31 UTC
I heard in the Proteus release they added the limited sleeper cache to high-security space data sites, but I've only ever seen them in null-sec. I still have not seen the super rare medium and large sites mentioned in the release notes, which are undoubtedly available to null-sec, and maybe even wormhole space? About that last bit, I don't know.
atomic killer
The DARK TROJANS
#3 - 2015-01-25 11:29:04 UTC
Kenneth Endashi wrote:
I heard in the Proteus release they added the limited sleeper cache to high-security space data sites, but I've only ever seen them in null-sec. I still have not seen the super rare medium and large sites mentioned in the release notes, which are undoubtedly available to null-sec, and maybe even wormhole space? About that last bit, I don't know.


I found superior sleeper cache in Hisec, but couldn't scan it with my skills.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-01-25 13:49:07 UTC
In all areas of k-space you can find Limited, Standard, and Superior Sleeper Data Cache sites, they can be hard to scan down and usually require a good tank to do.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#5 - 2015-01-25 14:21:15 UTC
Bull Worth wrote:
Do the high sec data and relic sites even offer enough reward anymore to even bother finishing the scan?
Are you finding sites with all the cans intact? Frequently the best cans are already taken and only the scrap is left. In that case, the site is only worth running because it will respawn somewhere else when it has been completed - and you might be the first one to find the new site.

But as you get more experience and isk, the high sec data and relic sites are very marginal even with all the cans in tact -- perhaps that is for the best because these sites will be available for new players if experienced players don't bother with them.
Bull Worth
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2015-01-26 01:40:12 UTC
Yes I was referring to intact sites.

I was collecting the contents of cans for a while when I realized once you have access to level 3 missions or even the ability to do the green combat anomalies high sec relic and data sites are hardly worth visiting.

Good info about the new type of sites will at least spur me on to finish scanning data sites down to see the type.
Samantha Calderon
Heavenly Forge
#7 - 2015-01-26 02:41:33 UTC
Pirate Relic and Data sigs in high sec are worthless, only check them for the ocasional faction BPC or valuable T2 salvage (very rare). Now the Sleeper caches are other thing, and you can get nice loot from them, even from the "limited" ones. But those sites are deathtraps for newbro explorers.

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Ceejay Johnston
GP-MC Holdings
#8 - 2015-01-26 15:26:44 UTC
I dont really explore for the money as such as I make plenty from mission running , ratting etc. Exploration for me is about traveling through to different systems, interacting with different players and If brave enough WH's.

Ive been on 3 hour exploration roams focusing soley on low sec, null sec and WH space and made next to nouthing. And I then spent 1 hour in Hi sec and made a nice easy 30mil

Its just your donald duck my friend.
Bibosikus
Air
#9 - 2015-01-26 15:53:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Bibosikus
A worthwhile sideline when exploring highsec is to have a quick look inside any C1-C3 wormholes you find. They are sprinkled with high-end pirate data & relic sites which can be scanned down with L4 skills - although hacking the cans will prove next to impossible in an unbonussed ship.

With practice you can be in & out of a quiet C1 wormhole in 15 minutes and 50-100m better off, using just a CovOps frigate.

Edit: Confirming that Superior Sleeper Caches can be found in Highsec. I found one and nailed the sig by moving probes individually. I lost a Helios and an Astero in it, and don't plan to do any more until Evelopedia has some decent info on how to run them. Currently, it seems the successful explorers are keeping that closely guarded...

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

Ceejay Johnston
GP-MC Holdings
#10 - 2015-01-26 16:45:21 UTC
Bibosikus wrote:
A worthwhile sideline when exploring highsec is to have a quick look inside any C1-C3 wormholes you find. They are sprinkled with high-end pirate data & relic sites which can be scanned down with L4 skills - although hacking the cans will prove next to impossible in an unbonussed ship.

With practice you can be in & out of a quiet C1 wormhole in 15 minutes and 50-100m better off, using just a CovOps frigate.

Edit: Confirming that Superior Sleeper Caches can be found in Highsec. I found one and nailed the sig by moving probes individually. I lost a Helios and an Astero in it, and don't plan to do any more until Evelopedia has some decent info on how to run them. Currently, it seems the successful explorers are keeping that closely guarded...


JohnnyPew on youtube / Sir Livngston (in game char) has run a few videos on these.

Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-01-26 22:20:18 UTC
You can also search for ghost sides in highsec, I usually find them in certain areas. The trick is to go in, pick the can with the different name, mwd to it, hack, loot and warp out all in about 30s from arriving on grid. If the rats spawn, don't stop hacking, complete, (loot), warp out. If you fail the hack you are dead ... in theory you can tank the explosion, but I never tried and instead choose a cheap and fast ship (e.g. Heron). You can expect looting 10-20m per site this way. But you won't get rich with this ... it's more for the fun. If you want to be serious about (non-combat) exploration, you have to go to southern nullsec.

I'm my own NPC alt.

WT Lapre
Northstar Cabal
#12 - 2015-01-31 10:22:00 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
If you want to be serious about (non-combat) exploration, you have to go to southern nullsec.



Why southern nullsec and why not just anyone in nullsec?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-01-31 10:31:49 UTC
i believe that's providence where you won't be relentlessly hunted as soon as you go in.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-01-31 23:48:04 UTC
WT Lapre wrote:
Tipa Riot wrote:
If you want to be serious about (non-combat) exploration, you have to go to southern nullsec.

Why southern nullsec and why not just anyone in nullsec?

You can read it elsewhere in the forums, the only relic sites actually worth running are those in Sansha space because they have a chance to drop Intact Armor Plates which sell for good ISK, reliably.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
Somethin Awfull Forums
#15 - 2015-02-09 04:12:26 UTC
Bull Worth wrote:
Hello folks,

For you explorers out there, do the high sec data and relic sites even offer enough reward anymore to even bother finishing the scan?

Maybe I am very unlucky but they dont seem worth the time to even visit them.

Should this be the case, I hope the developers bump them up a bit some time otherwise its just wasted content.


As someone who scans Signature sites for a different reason, the long and the short of it is, no.

90% of all HS signatures are R9 and X7 wormholes. The other 10% are Data and relic. The relic are mostly junk with a rare Cap console or intact armor plate in Sansha and blood sites. Data will yield anywhere from 20K to 1.8 mill, the 1.8 mill being rare and decryptor based drops. Parity being top end.

The trouble being, you come in to a system, you need to get reads on all Sig and when the amount of time you devote is put together you are making very little progress.

Sleeper sites are around 1:200 scans for me and you really need a T3 to do them, as well as solid skills to clear them. They are fine for veteran players who are running high sec because it's just less commitment at the time.

I spent a lot of time scanning HS mostly looking for A6 wormholes. Less to save time, more because they allow you to move between regions and avoid the Niarja and Uedama fishing grounds. I get around 3 or 4 a month and half of those are remote to remote that are not functional but the whole process let me map HS sig systems and patterns.

short version. HS exploration is a joke.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-02-09 05:01:08 UTC
Since my prior post, I did find a pirate small control tower bpc form a relic site.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-02-09 16:34:12 UTC
Ceejay Johnston wrote:
I dont really explore for the money as such as I make plenty from mission running , ratting etc. Exploration for me is about traveling through to different systems, interacting with different players and If brave enough WH's.

Ive been on 3 hour exploration roams focusing soley on low sec, null sec and WH space and made next to nouthing. And I then spent 1 hour in Hi sec and made a nice easy 30mil

Its just your donald duck my friend.


i get about 15+mil a site in nullsec not including the bpc's, my scanning toon has about 500mil worth of loot in his hanger from about a week of scanning for about an hour a day, scanning is very profitable in nullsec so your doing it wrong if your making nothing

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

servalaan
#18 - 2015-02-12 02:30:52 UTC  |  Edited by: servalaan
Personally I never finish the scan, on the whole I think Data/Relic sites are utterly worthless (at least in hi-sec)
Their remains an extremely small chance of finding a faction pos as 'Omnathious Deninard' noted but the chances of finding high value items are so infinitesimally small that I decided to quit scanning them altogether in high-sec, 99% of the stuff found is just worthless tut.

If pinocchio told you his nose was about to grow, what would happen?

Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#19 - 2015-02-12 07:03:45 UTC
Faction tower BPCs are myth. Never found one in my nearly 2 years exploring, must be really unlucky.

Skydell wrote:
Sleeper sites are around 1:200 scans for me and you really need a T3 to do them, as well as solid skills to clear them. They are fine for veteran players who are running high sec because it's just less commitment at the time.

I think it's 1:100 for me. You need T3 for superior only, with proper hacking and flying standard is doable in Astero.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Orlacc
#20 - 2015-02-12 16:54:11 UTC
Real explorers always fly T3. Astero and the like were created for scrubs. No lie.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

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