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Battlecruiser Size Prop Mods and Medium MJD for Attack Battlecruisers?
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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#1 - 2015-02-12 01:08:05 UTC
What do you reckon about 50MN afterburners and MWD's for battlecruisers and allow the attack battlecruisers to use medium mjd's?
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#2 - 2015-02-12 01:14:42 UTC
50MN prop mods; maybe. The downside to bigger tank and more dps should be lower speed.

ABCs with MJDs; no way! That wouuld make them too kitey, and hilariously OP in fleet fights.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-02-12 01:31:39 UTC
Terranid Meester wrote:
What do you reckon about 50MN afterburners and MWD's for battlecruisers and allow the attack battlecruisers to use medium mjd's?


Please define speed increase in% for 50's. And it's benefit.

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Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#4 - 2015-02-12 03:48:08 UTC
Rawketsled wrote:
50MN prop mods; maybe. The downside to bigger tank and more dps should be lower speed.

ABCs with MJDs; no way! That wouuld make them too kitey, and hilariously OP in fleet fights.


and?

You really think so? Truly? Can you produce scenarios where this would actually be a problem?
Can you justify why snipers still can't hit from 250km away without being probed down?
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2015-02-12 07:31:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
You really think so? Truly? Can you produce scenarios where this would actually be a problem?
Can you justify why snipers still can't hit from 250km away without being probed down?

Tornados? Sniper Nagas (There are Naga setups which have similar characteristics as BL's nearly unprobable Tengus from back in 2014). Tachyon Oracles. Shoot: MJD. Shoot again. Shoot a bit more. MJD again. Rinse and repeat. Or if people manage to probe your ships, you just engage the MJD and 9 seconds later you are 100km away and can shoot while being aligned to a warp-out.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-02-12 07:44:18 UTC
Terranid Meester wrote:
What do you reckon about 50MN afterburners and MWD's for battlecruisers and allow the attack battlecruisers to use medium mjd's?

Check the ship's mass. Don't you mean 15MN? 50MN would grant a tremendous speed increase on a battlecruiser and would make it much faster than a cruiser (attack battlecruisers already aren't much slower). And that 50MN would have to cost so much powergrid you wouldn't have much left over for a decent fit, especially on an attack battlecruiser which has far less to spare.

Battleships might use a 50MN if they want a cheaper-fitting MWD and don't need all that speed. It's still faster than a 100MN afterburner by a good margin.

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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#7 - 2015-02-12 10:55:59 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Terranid Meester wrote:
What do you reckon about 50MN afterburners and MWD's for battlecruisers and allow the attack battlecruisers to use medium mjd's?

Check the ship's mass. Don't you mean 15MN? 50MN would grant a tremendous speed increase on a battlecruiser and would make it much faster than a cruiser (attack battlecruisers already aren't much slower). And that 50MN would have to cost so much powergrid you wouldn't have much left over for a decent fit, especially on an attack battlecruiser which has far less to spare.

Battleships might use a 50MN if they want a cheaper-fitting MWD and don't need all that speed. It's still faster than a 100MN afterburner by a good margin.

It's a number chosen to illustrate the point.

The thread title asks for battlecruiser size prop mods. The exact amount of thrust to make it balance is going to be chosen by CCP.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-02-12 11:32:25 UTC
If BCs start moving as fast, or almost as fast, as cruisers - why would I ever fly a cruiser?
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-02-12 12:48:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington
Stupid idea is stupid.

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allow the attack battlecruisers to use medium mjd's?

Jesus ******* christ no. Did it occur to you that there's a reason they weren't given to ABCs?
MMJDs were introduced to try and combat the perceived sluggishness of combat BCs and to try and differentiate them role-wise.

Attack battlecruisers are much more specialised, and mobility isn't an issue for them as they're fast as hell. Giving them MMJDs on top of that and watch how hyper-mobile, borderline uncatchable sniper BCs become FOTM.

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If BCs start moving as fast, or almost as fast, as cruisers - why would I ever fly a cruiser?

This.

OP is clearly new here and doesn't remember when Eve was Battlecruisers Online. I for one have no wish to go back to those days, so it's a huge resounding nope for me to bigger prop mods for them.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#10 - 2015-02-12 13:05:53 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
You really think so? Truly? Can you produce scenarios where this would actually be a problem?
Can you justify why snipers still can't hit from 250km away without being probed down?

Tornados? Sniper Nagas (There are Naga setups which have similar characteristics as BL's nearly unprobable Tengus from back in 2014). Tachyon Oracles. Shoot: MJD. Shoot again. Shoot a bit more. MJD again. Rinse and repeat. Or if people manage to probe your ships, you just engage the MJD and 9 seconds later you are 100km away and can shoot while being aligned to a warp-out.

I agree with the general notion that MJDs on ABCs would be overpowered, but it wouldn't be quite that bad. If they've been probed down once, chances are that they'd be probed down again well before their MJD cooldown was up. They wouldn't be able to hopscotch around like that, but they would be able to get away unscathed (barring bubbles).

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Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-02-12 14:14:03 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
You really think so? Truly? Can you produce scenarios where this would actually be a problem?
Can you justify why snipers still can't hit from 250km away without being probed down?

Tornados? Sniper Nagas (There are Naga setups which have similar characteristics as BL's nearly unprobable Tengus from back in 2014). Tachyon Oracles. Shoot: MJD. Shoot again. Shoot a bit more. MJD again. Rinse and repeat. Or if people manage to probe your ships, you just engage the MJD and 9 seconds later you are 100km away and can shoot while being aligned to a warp-out.

I agree with the general notion that MJDs on ABCs would be overpowered, but it wouldn't be quite that bad. If they've been probed down once, chances are that they'd be probed down again well before their MJD cooldown was up. They wouldn't be able to hopscotch around like that, but they would be able to get away unscathed (barring bubbles).


Well, then, just give them a Marauder style bonus to the MJD cooldown. Just kidding! I agree that it would OP the BC's.

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Atomeon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-02-13 01:56:04 UTC
If you add 50MN AB to the game, EVERY single cruiser will use them, like some use 100MN AB on cruisers.
If you add a role bonus its different story and prolly the right way to go ;)