EVE General Discussion

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
pretty sure that the social corps will be nothing more than a *gasp* intel/chat channel with corp logo on it which isn't anything different then what is currently in game and that you can at any time still shoot someone with a cheap destroyer with the intent to lose it .

The AWOX flag, sorry but you need to be at risk just as much cause you can *looks around* drop corp and dock up so the other guy can't fight back after you gank them in the corp but mysteriously you want to be protected by CONCORD and don't want to have the Po-Po respond when you attack....like irony pot calling the kettle black, cause 1) No one can attack you in highsec without a gank or wardec (with appropriate response or lack there of by the donut police) and 2) If you where in the same corp as your target where no one can attack but that corp, but you are the predator looking for riskless prey which is like saying you want easy mode PVP (EVE should just destroy all assets in a ship when its destroyed, all corp assets non trade able and only the market allows things to be transferred from player to player...only things you would get would be killmails, thus you get nothing of real value ). And there is your sign that AWOX was getting out of hand, cause MMOSPG (Massive Multi Online Solo Play Games) are boring when you chase away other players cause no one trust anybody when everyone is in one man corps)

As for the rest....being the aggressor gets harder, just as much as a power creep in WoW. Every expansion gets harder in WoW requiring new gear for the next ultimate raid until its just to easy to farm it (aka got easy, next expansion comes out) and in EVE, surprisingly the players abuse the system until CCP needs to step in make it a bit difficult (aka, game is getting to easy and abusable no matter how players try to counter you) otherwise there will be very little player driven content when you drive the other players away cause the game is difficult to keep a ship when others can blow it up easily
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

Some would say the goal should be to get people out of NPC corps entirely and into the game with others, not create another bastardized non-remedy construct who's real intent is to give carebears their cake, and to eat it too.

The meat of it is that many feel existing NPC corp taxes are too low and a pre-existing condition, and if you don't boot players after 30 days from NPC corps, you should at least increase NPC corp taxes to 50%+ to adequately reflect a premium for being 100% safe from wardecs.

What is chilling (and to your question) is I have NO faith CCP will put a 50%+ NPC tax on these new 'social corporations', and it will either be low, or set ZERO by a CEO, so the carebears now not only get their 100% war immunity, but also a formal player corporation construct.

Ideas like that are never offered for 'some reason', its always more nerfs to non-consensual aggression. No moves are made to fix the existing wardec-dodging exploits, or evaluate future changes through the lens of all the preceding nerfs that went before.

Its that lens of doing what is TRULY right for EvE that can only be applied by player CSM's in CONTRAST to CCP going for a 'moar subs' quick fix, and for that reason why we need more Tora Bushido and Sabriz's on the CSM, and fewer Mike Asariah's, Sugar Kyle's, and Ripard Tegs.

The choice is yours, the players. The intent of this post, was to give you the info you need to make those choices.

Choose wisely, not short-term self interestedly, we already have enough of those implementing these nerfs doing that already.

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Some NPC corps are fairly active chat channels, others aren't. You don't get a choice and always get dumped back into the same one based upon what attributes you selected when creating a character...

I don't see why letting people actively join one with absolutely no perks over the current versions has any downsides - it's pretty much the same as just creating a chat channel.

Citation needed.

People that will join these corps would probably have stayed in an NPC corp anyways.

PvPers who want to gank them, still can.
Awoxers still won't be able to awox them.
Wardeccers still won't be able to wardec them....

Status Quo maintained for all the kiddies who want to kick sand in the carebears faces.


Carebears gain...a unified chat channel. OMG NOOOO, CCP wai u do this?!?

Exactly.

What would be nice, is if there was more stuff DO in a player corp, than there is in an NPC corp, or completely alone. It makes everything easier, but ultimately its pretty much the same. By the time you "graduate" (have the SP) to head out to where the rewards and content are more satisfying, none of this matters. None of those corps let in AWOXers anyways, and for them, nothing has changed at all.

More carrot. Less stick.

12 years of experience.

The plural of anecdote is not evidence.

The best part about this thread is the irony of it all: a thread whining about the whining for nerfs to ganks.

Just because some people don't like the "safety" of high-sec compared to other parts of New Eden doesn't mean it'll be changed. The players have always come up with ways around the current mechanics (hyper-dunking, as much as I hate the term, is an example).

Honestly, if the state of high-sec bothers anyone, they should move to lowsec/nullsec where there's no shortage of targets who will actually fight back ...unlike the majority of highsec players who want to play the game their way and not "forced" to do anything. After all, it's a sandbox.

Two or three of the items on your list strike me as being balance tipped. but the rest were long overdue. I also noticed you completely ignore any improvements to combat, mods, or ganking useable ships or strategies that have been made over the same period. For example, when the EHP was improved on barges (also overdue) things were out of balance for a bit until the rebalance of other ships.. the "perceived" EHP advantage has been significantly reduced. Your whining here seems to me to be completely one sided tear letting.