Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So Mr Rise, Ishtars are a scourge on the current fleet warfare ship meta. They are the new Drake. What are you going to do about rebalancing them (and Tengus and Bombers)?

P.S. I know you commentors will say "well you can bomb the drones" etc. However, that doesn't change the fact the most fleet fights in null comprise of MWD Ishtars, the AB Tengu and the bomber, everything else is utterly irrelevant. All of this in turn is pretty boring. A sad state of affairs all round.

Remove either bandwidth or sentry drone bonus from hull.


Boom fixed.
Wtf is taking years to figure this out?
Maybe they should hire me like they did rize and fozzy. Id have balances errry 6 weeks like they promised

Minmatar need more nerfs and than blatantly buff everything else at the same time that will fix things for years to come.

I think the main problem that the Ishtar faces is that it's good for PvP and PvE at the same time. There needs to be some differentiation between both areas, but making that happen would be rather tricky.

Actually there needs to be less differentiation, so that PvErs will actually feel like they can fight if they need to, but that's really beside the point.

The easiest fix is:
1) Lower Heavy Drone bandwidth to 20.
2) Cap the bandwidth on anything smaller than a battleship at 100.

Ishtars can still use Sentries if they want, but only at 80% of today's DPS, and there's no need to adjust the ship itself.

Increasing the bandwidth of Sentries would make it impossible to field 5 of them on a cruiser. Then buff the bandwidth of any ship on which they are intended to be fielded. Skills would still limit ships to 5 of any kind of drone. Only caps with DCUs could field more. Problem solved.

The annoying thing about sentry using droneboats is that their dps is at a different spot than the ship itself. So you either mitigate the dronedamage and let the droneboat slip away, or you find a way to tank the dps long enough to burn through the controlling ship.
I find this problem less evident with other drones because they will follow you around while you go after your target. So you can actually kill them while getting close to your victim. The delay between targets due to flight-time also helps.

There's counters tho. Bombing, smartbombing, shooting the things etc. Pretty complicated to do, but you can effectively remove a droneboats guns.

I understand I'm not supposed to respond because this message isn't adressed to me, but OP's the one who put it in GD instead of a PM to CCP Rise.

Learn to be relevant. See I can post a useless comment as well.



See this doesn't help, it's not constructive and doesn't answer any problems. Irrespective of you view that everyone should be in an ~Elite PVP~ group like you, the problem persists that fleet warfare today is dominated by 2 ships and 1 class of ship.

So you think this is fine because your little low sec irrelevant PVP activities are OK then?

That is, as the say, the problem I was referring to.

I wouldn't be impossible to bring them closer together, but it would require CCP to do a major overhaul on the PVE content in the game. Specifically how the shooty parts work.

The issue with the Ishtar is really that it has far more bonuses than any other ship. Remove either the heavy drone mwd or tracking bonus and the sentry optimal or tracking bonus and it would be a perfectly balanced ship.