EVE General Discussion

And just when I thought this thread couldn't get worse, I was proven wrong. Bravo!

I'm not redefining the English language. Sexism - As in, the term - Was created to define prejudice against women. It's only very recently that men have started adopting it to apply it to themselves.

And I don't know how many times I can repeat that I understand and sympathize with lots of men who are also victims of discrimination. Everyone is a victim of the societies oppression and bias, men very much included.



You guys are getting really mad over this one little thing I didn't even intend to focus the post on. I shouldn't have added that part at all.

If you want to call prejudice against men "sexism", I'm not going to tell you you're a terrible person or anything like that - Go nuts. It's a quibble. The fact that I personally wouldn't describe it with that term doesn't mean that I'm saying that prejudice doesn't exist or isn't an issue. It is an issue. It's bad. I think it is an equally important problem if not one of the same level of magnitude in terms of society.

You literally are. You've also admitted that you don't consider men to be people, or actions against them to be morally wrong. Which is disgusting enough in and of itself, nevermind the rest of what you're saying.

the term "sexism" was most likely coined on November 18, 1965, by Pauline M. Leet during the Student-Faculty Forum at Franklin and Marshall College. The term appears in Leet's forum contribution titled "Women and the Undergraduate", in which she defines it by comparing it to racism, saying in part, "When you argue…that since fewer women write good poetry this justifies their total exclusion, you are taking a position analogous to that of the racist — I might call you in this case a "sexist"… Both the racist and the sexist are acting as if all that has happened had never happened, and both of them are making decisions and coming to conclusions about someone’s value by referring to factors which are in both cases irrelevant."

Probably the first time the term "sexism" appeared in print was in Caroline Bird's speech "On Being Born Female", which was published on November 15, 1968, in Vital Speeches of the Day (p. 6). In this speech she said in part, "There is recognition abroad that we are in many ways a sexist country. Sexism is judging people by their sex when sex doesn’t matter. Sexism is intended to rhyme with racism. Both have been used to keep the powers that be in power."

As its etymology indicates, the first use of the word sexism in print is relatively recent—i.e., the 1960s, specifically 1968—and was intended by its user to "rhyme with racism." Linguistically similar to racism, the word is a general abstraction that does not in and of itself connote a great deal of positive or negative meaning without additional context (i.e., "sexism" = noun of action/condition regarding "sex"), and so its definition and semantics are not entirely settled. Nonetheless, the term is commonly used, often negatively as a pejorative (e.g., "sexist"), and is associated with gender-based prejudice, violence, dislike, discrimination, or oppression.

Never, not once, was it created to define prejudice against women specifically at all. At the time it was created though, it was sexism against women that was most obvious, even though sexism against men was occurring all the time. And still does.

I suggest next time you're going to assert claims about etymology, you try to have citations. Like this one.

https://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/feminism-friday-the-origins-of-the-word-sexism/

Men, for example, (in most cases) do not experience and cannot relate to the fear of sexual assault, domestic violence, or pay grade bias.

Women, on the other hand, (again, in most cases) do not experience and cannot relate to stuff like bias in the justice system, conscription, being painted as an aggressor in unjustified cases, etc.

Same cause (patriarchy, gender roles), but different issues.

Yes, I hear that a lot. However if we're going to discuss the term, let's not restrict it to ivory tower academics who accomplish nothing but a fantastic circle-jerk.


So in other words, this isn't about equality of opportunity and rights, this is about a competition for power. I see.


There are almost as many men who are sexually assaulted and raped as there are women, and they're roughly as likely to be victims of domestic violence. They're far less likely to be taken seriously, however.
There aren't women being paid less for the same work, at least not in Western countries. The "Wage Gap" argument is a classic example of the misleading statistics I was referring to above: yes, women on average make 78 cents for every $1 men make, but it's not because men make more than women at the same jobs. They simply don't. It's because women are more likely to go into lower-paying professions, work fewer hours, and not advance as far.


No, sexism means prejudice or discrimination based on sex. This is another issue I have with feminism: they tend to define words however they want to to fit their own agenda.


The Patriarchy doesn't exist.
You're not demonized as a potential rapist on the basis of your gender. I am.
You're not considered expendable and potentially forced into war on the basis of your gender. I am.
When charged with a crime, I am much more likely to be convicted than you are, on the basis of my gender.
When convicted with a crime, I'm likely to get a much heavier sentence than you are, on the basis of my gender.
Your genital integrity is legally protected. Not only is mine not, but the practice of cutting on infant male genitalia is very common in my county.
For any given location, there are likely several choices for domestic violence shelters catering specifically to your gender. For these same locations, there are likely none for mine.
There are many more examples...

Everything is about that. It's the way the human brain is wired. Everyone thinks highly of themselves and it causes friction, sparks, fires. Look at the last 4-5 pages of this very thread.

You're taking the Patriarchy to mean "Evil male conspiracy". That's not what it means. The Patriarchy is responsible for all those problems.

The Patriarchy is, in terms of feminist theory, the social constructs that create the notions that women are weak, vulnerable, fragile things that need to be protected, rather then assert themselve, while men are strong, independent, violent and powerful. Both genders suffer from these ideas.



I deliberately said, "in most cases." Replace "most" with "the majority". I fully accept men are victims of both sexual assault and physical abuse. However, it is not as common.

Their corp webpage is a tumblr blog. This explains everything.