EVE New Citizens Q&A

Thank you for all the replies and likes! :D

I get it now, so people who basically shine PvP and want to play the game like other MMO's.. That is kinda boring.. EVE is many multitude more advance and has more content then any other ones i have played, seems a shame to miss out on it.. So i guess I'm not a Carebear then, haha! That is a relief :D

Thank you all again!

And thank you for the fit! I will give it a try, i was working on a Griffon and Condor fit that seemed pretty good but your the pro after all :) so thank you!

This.

* Risk adverse
* Complains when the game isn't going their way.

While carebears maybe often be risk averse and complain when things aren't going their way the same can be said about some PvPers. I don't think either of those things are included in the definition of carebear.

If risk averse were part of the definition then you would call all the high sec gankers and high sec PvP corps with high kill efficiency carebears.

Again if you look at all the places that it is used and remove the situational stuff and look up the various definitions on it then to me it seems the common denominator is someone who does not like and / or avoids PvP. Everything else is characteristics that many bears may have but are not necessarily part of the defining characteristics.

Actually now you mention it, it kind of makes sense that CODE are in fact just another form of carebear.

I didnt mean it as i didnt like to be, i just don't like people insulting me for no reason, especially when they are wrong, that was all, i don't mind doing "Carebear" stuff like missions and stuff, but i want to do all the things in this game, that was all, i think it is a good thing to want to be a take-it-all, give-it-all kind of player.

I personally do not think it is a bad thing to want to be a Carebear, but i believe it is missing out on some of the greatest parts of this game, which is kinda sad.. That is all :) no insult intended



So techniqually even a pro PvP'er could be classified a Carebear, or a "Ganker" could be considered one? Say if a "Ganker" complained that CCP made Mining Barges harder to gank or something? Or am i over thinking that?



So many different diffinitions of being a Carebear.. Well.. I guess it changes person to person, i honestly thought Carebear was an insult to people who only ever did PvE things, but i have been shown that that was the wrong assumption, makes me feel better that that twerp was just being an idiot, and didnt know what he was talking about :D (The thing that happened when i was mining)

J'Poll and Shah Fluffers are correct in their definitions.

A 'carebear' is not merely risk adverse, but in addition wants CCP to change the game to suit their own individual game style so that they never lose a ship.

They are the 'special snowflakes' that everyone else must bow and cater to, or they will 'take their $20 subscription fee somewhere else! See if I don't!.

If they are mining and get blown up by players, they don't start tanking their ship, aligning to the station, using scouts and changing their play style. Instead, they come into the forums and start complaining that they will unsubscribe unless CCP finds a way to let them mine in complete safety, with zero risk, while AFK, so they can just suck up ISK with zero effort.

It doesn't matter what you are doing in EVE. Mining, missioning, Factional warfare. Carebear is more about an attitude than about a vocation.

There are also 'gank bears' and 'yarr bears'. They are essentially pirates and PVPers that treat other players as a 'care bear' miner would treat asteroids. They sit on a gate, use smart bomb battleships, and want to be able to kill others all day long with zero risk to themselves.

Essentially then, a 'care bear' blames the game for their own failures, instead of taking measures to improve their own playing methods themselves.

If they were playing a 1980s console type game, these would be the people that would complain that they lost a ship or man because 'the controls are broken'.

If they were playing/ watching soccer/ football and a referee made a call against them, they would blame the referee/ umpire for being 'blind'.

For everyone that keeps trying to include "risk averse" into the definition of carebear, I would argue that I am one of the most carebearish people in this game. I don't think that you could find too many people more carebeary than me. However my personality type is not risk averse. I used to roadrace motorcycles proffessionally. It almost killed me once and I was back on the race track within 6 weeks or as soon as I lost the dizziness from the concussion but long before the doctor cleared me from some of more serious injuries.

I've been accused of not being cautious enough and charging into situations and throwing caution to the wind. So if carebears are risk averse I need someone to explain to me what I am.

Just to note for me racing was not a competitive sport. I will not derail this thread to explain but just note that as I have included previously competition into the definition of PvP as opposed to the cooperative nature of a carebear.

If you live to self-identify as a care bear, that's fine. Many people do. There is no shame in it. Some people even call themselves 'care bear' to mean a player that prefers Player versus EVE, as opposed to those players that prefer Player vs. Player.

However, when you start comparing what you do in your real world, out of EVE life with what your character does in EVE, then I am afraid you have completely lost the point of this thread. 'Care bear' is a term that applies only to online gaming, not some sort of philosophy to live one's life by.

I wouldn't say that Martin Luther King Jr. or Jesus Christ were 'care bears' simply because they were pacifists, or stressed the value of compassion over the use of force.

A strategy of being risk adverse is actually a pretty intelligent way to go about living one's life. You wouldn't be here today if you took foolish risks on a motorcycle. Picking fist fights in a biker bar is not a wise way to go about living one's life.

It is correct to say that being risk adverse in EVE (or WOW, or Pac-Man, or baseball) does not a 'care bear' make. I like to fly in cloaky ships such as the Anathema, which when done properly has a very small chance of being targeted and shot by another player. I also like to remain docked up, doing station trading. There is zero risk of being shot while doing that. 'Risk adverse' means being cautious and taking precautions.

Yet, as I thought I stated, the 'care bears' are the ones that do not take precautions, and when this results in consequences for them, they complain that the makers of the game (CCP, or Blizzard if you like) should change the game to suit them specifically.

That's my definition. Use your own definition if you would like.

I suppose this definition works as well.

Care bear = 'Wimp'

The schoolyard bully says to the bookish nerd "Come outside and fight me, you wimp!"

It's up to you whether you want to take the bait or not.

I like how all the NPC corp characters have the same opinion.

Incidentally, the tactic you used in this situation - locking someone up and acting as if you would attack them when you had no intention of actually doing so - is commonly known as "the carebear stare". It is often regarded as evidence of carebearism. There is no reason to do that. For one, they have no fear of you shooting them. Likely they are actually hoping you will shoot so that they either can engage you or cheerfully watch CONCORD destroy you. In highsec if you don't want to fight somebody, you can usually either ignore or avoid them - which looks less passive aggressive and carebear-ey than how you handled it.