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High sec solo pvp

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Quinn Origin
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-02-10 17:02:12 UTC
At the moment I live in lowsec, usually pvping in frigates. I enjoy it but I would like to add a bit of variety to my pvp in eve. I plan on joining a small highsec corp that will wardec other highsec corps, so I can go grief some bears when I've had enough of lowsec pvp.

However I don't really have much experiencing with anything bigger than frigates. Ideally I'd like to go to highsec in a cruiser sized ship, but I'm not sure which of these would be fit for purpose. I'll be engaging anything from T1 frigates up to Pirate battleships. are there any cruiser sized ships that would fit my needs?

I can fly:
Min cruiser- T1, T2, T3
Gal cruiser- T1, T2, T3
Cal cruiser- T1. T2, T3

Any advice would be great
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2015-02-10 17:14:04 UTC
depends on the corp,
t3s are great provided you know how to use them and keep them alive.

if your unsure of a role , use a t2 till you know how to keep that alive, then move to t3.

just dont try learn in a t3 as its about the only way to lose sp in the game.
Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2015-02-10 17:25:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
VNI has a nice engagement profile especially for the price. Hull tank is not to be ignored. Repair costs are super cheap assuming you make it out intact.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-02-10 17:55:06 UTC
First. Find a corp that actually fights you.

99.9% wont even undock with you in local, even if you are just in a shuttle.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#5 - 2015-02-10 17:59:35 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
First. Find a corp that actually fights you.

99.9% wont even undock with you in local, even if you are just in a shuttle.

yeah, hope you have isk to burn cos your going to waste a lot of it on dud wardecs
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-02-10 18:03:17 UTC
Cruisers are great, but don't discount frigates completely. Assault frigates can do some pretty nasty things against larger ships, especially if they aren't fit properly for PvP. Ask Ralph about his Ishkur. Big smile

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#7 - 2015-02-10 18:45:31 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
Cruisers are great, but don't discount frigates completely. Assault frigates can do some pretty nasty things against larger ships, especially if they aren't fit properly for PvP. Ask Ralph about his Ishkur. Big smile

yeah the ishkur is nice
check the link in my sig and its my most recent loss.
generally costs around 60mil though you can hang more isk on it if you like and get a little better performance out of it
but id rather not feel the loss of one and it performs admirably t2 fit
your engagement profile is literally anything bigger than you that you can catch ,
works with a mwd as well (i usually carry one in the hold) but i sig tank so i almost never use it.

excellent 1v1 ship but can struggle against numbers if you don't have links (as per lossmail)
Quinn Origin
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-02-10 19:47:51 UTC
Thanks a lot for the advice guys, I never thought of T2 frigates. Any other T2 frigates worth checking out for this purpose? 60 mill for a loss sounds very reasonable especially while I'm getting used to highsec space again.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-02-10 19:53:19 UTC
Quinn Origin wrote:
Thanks a lot for the advice guys, I never thought of T2 frigates. Any other T2 frigates worth checking out for this purpose? 60 mill for a loss sounds very reasonable especially while I'm getting used to highsec space again.

I'm a huge fan of the Hawk and the Vengeance. They both excel at taking out drones which are your number one enemy in a small ship. They also can both fit quite a tank with some flexibility in fitting choices.

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Phig Neutron
Starbreaker and Sons
#10 - 2015-02-10 20:00:03 UTC
Quinn Origin wrote:
I plan on joining a small highsec corp that will wardec other highsec corps

The smaller the corp you are in, the more likely it is that you'll get fights. If some carebears are wardecked by a huge corp and they see them around market hubs, etc, they'll pretty soon get the message from their CEO: "stay docked until war is over". On the other hand if you're just one guy, and they never see you for the first few days, eventually they'll go right back to mission running or mining, etc.

That's when you have your neutral alt find some of them, and you go for the kill, then disappear again.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-02-10 20:00:58 UTC
For assault frigates, I'm personally a fan of the Enyo.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#12 - 2015-02-10 20:26:09 UTC
Quinn Origin wrote:
Thanks a lot for the advice guys, I never thought of T2 frigates. Any other T2 frigates worth checking out for this purpose? 60 mill for a loss sounds very reasonable especially while I'm getting used to highsec space again.

The setinal (can't spell, don't judge me) the garmur and as mentioned vengeance and enyo .
the garmur might be a bit pricey though, it's about 50- 60 just for the hull.

It's also a smelly shield kitey so there's that.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-02-10 21:05:12 UTC
dual MASB hawk

you can boost it and pop drugs and get almost 900 dps tank while doing around 200 dps.

Great for catching something that's buffer tanked but does a lot of damage.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-02-10 22:50:52 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
First. Find a corp that actually fights you.

99.9% wont even undock with you in local, even if you are just in a shuttle.

yeah, hope you have isk to burn cos your going to waste a lot of it on dud wardecs


lol, yeah I have an alt i just use for losec PI that is in a mining corp where the other 10 or so players all quit years ago.

My alt is the only player left and he logs on in a viator about twice a month for a few hours but never leaves losec so a wardec is meaningless.

I have been hoping someone wardecs the corp it would be hilarious.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#15 - 2015-02-10 23:53:30 UTC
If you are true solo, you need to be able to win fights before help arrives.

Part of this is target selection (pick people you suspect will not be able to escalate fights such as medium sized mission runner corps), but another part is boosting your damage output by fielding cruisers or larger.

If you have the appropriate skills, the Vexor Navy Issue and Ishtar are *excellent* solo ships. They combine the ability to apply damage to small ships, with high damage output at variable range, enough tank to get the job done and the ability to fit multiple neuts.

I have heard mixed reports about the Confessor - it may be worth considering if you need combat scanner probes.

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2015-02-11 06:48:50 UTC
I would not do it if I did not enjoy it.

Although I fly T3 mostly. You want to be able to in something that can engage any target without the need to heading back to HQ to refit. Unless they come to you of course.

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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#17 - 2015-02-11 16:25:45 UTC
Quinn Origin wrote:
Thanks a lot for the advice guys, I never thought of T2 frigates. Any other T2 frigates worth checking out for this purpose? 60 mill for a loss sounds very reasonable especially while I'm getting used to highsec space again.


Don't discount T1 frigates or destroyers either. A big part of the challenge of Highsec wardecs is getting the other guys to screw up their courage and undock. Even hardened carebears can be made to feel shame at being camped in a station by one guy in a T1 frigate. Especially if that guy is a low SP alt. I've had some of my finest solo wardecs using a 1 or 2 week old character. It limits the upper end of what you can kill but makes it easier to get fights. And if you do bite off more than you can chew you can easily disengage.

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Justin Zaine
#18 - 2015-02-12 07:59:14 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
I would not do it if I did not enjoy it.

Although I fly T3 mostly. You want to be able to in something that can engage any target without the need to heading back to HQ to refit. Unless they come to you of course.


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Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#19 - 2015-02-12 10:21:52 UTC
dual web rail harpy \o/

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Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-02-12 19:38:29 UTC
Quinn Origin wrote:
At the moment I live in lowsec, usually pvping in frigates. I enjoy it but I would like to add a bit of variety to my pvp in eve. I plan on joining a small highsec corp that will wardec other highsec corps, so I can go grief some bears when I've had enough of lowsec pvp.

However I don't really have much experiencing with anything bigger than frigates. Ideally I'd like to go to highsec in a cruiser sized ship, but I'm not sure which of these would be fit for purpose. I'll be engaging anything from T1 frigates up to Pirate battleships. are there any cruiser sized ships that would fit my needs?

I can fly:
Min cruiser- T1, T2, T3
Gal cruiser- T1, T2, T3
Cal cruiser- T1. T2, T3

Any advice would be great


Well, first of all most of the people you fight will be clueless with regards to fitting and fighting their ships. So your biggest issue will be the ability to 1) get extremely risk averse players to fight you and then 2) deal with people undocking big, expensive and hard hitting things they don't know how to use but that can still be dangerous. I lost an AF and a Vexor the other day to a mission Gila learning the hard way that medium drones out of that hull are insane even if he doesn't have a web or scram.

So you want to be prepared for 3 stages of engagement. The first is the bait phase (getting people to actually undock and try to kill you). As I'm sure others have told you, a tank active rep frigate or assault frigate is great for this especially against things that have a hard time hitting small ships flown by people who don't realize they won't be able to hit you. A newbie or a dedicated PvE player in a BC or BS or a mining ship with a full set of drones generally won't shoot at a cruiser or something larger but may assume they can quickly kill a frigate. The biggest threat is the drones so you need to be able to tank those and remove them from the equation in a timely fashion. And an active rep with nos or cap booster or both is good for a sustained tank. If you're dealing with something that can't be reasonably broken with 200-300 DPS or just hits too hard, it's time to bring out something bigger.

My ideal 2nd step is a navy or even tech 1 cruiser that can tank and kill an incorrectly flown battleship or BC but isn't going to scare people into docking like a HAC or strategic cruiser might. A dual repped Vexor with a cap booster and 3x ogres is really good for this as it can do around 600 DPS with good skills. A Navy Vexor is truly a terrifying ship with the same drone bandwidth as a Dominix or ishtar with a 25% tracking and speed bonus to ALL drones and the ability to fit a very nice buffer tank. You can even hull tank it for a stupid fast cruiser with 2-3 drone damage mods and a full rack of medium neuts. But as previously mentioned, people may be slightly more hesitant to fight a navy ship so it's a matter of whether the situation calls for more combat power or more appealing bait.

Phase 3 is going to be a pirate cruiser, tech 3 or whichever HAC best fits their damage profile. The Gila is an absolutely insane ship if you have full drone and missile skills (you do have drone skills don't you?). I can't actually fly a T3 but I know it's not uncommon for them to be fit for 75-85% resists across the board. The blaster proteus is definitely worth looking into for your purposes. A battleship with a heavy neuts in the utility slot or a drone BS like the Domi or Armageddon which can fit multiple cap warfare mods is a nasty surprise for newbie corps that want to try and blob you. More or less you want something available which has the resists and active reps to tank a mob of angry bears out to avenge their dead with pitchforks and meta 3 railguns.

And remember; this is most important - don't engage people who actually know how to fit and fly their ships unless you have backup on standby. Either friends, or a pair of logi alts like Lloyd here. And don't go anywhere near trade hubs while you have a suspect flag, kill right, or wardec from known hub huggers. They wait all day for someone to wander in unawares in their new T3.
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