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| Venture Holding Company - Launched |

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Troy Allan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-02-10 09:47:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Troy Allan
Hey everyone!

Fairly new to EVE, however I've gotten a solid hand when it comes to the Market! Out of good friendship, some folks have given me items they wish to sell and what they expect to have returned to them. Not only did I do this successfully, but I managed to gain some ISK on the side as well - Depending how successful I was and how volatile the Market was of course.

I've now launched Venture Holding Company - Check out the thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=404153&find=unread

Thank you everyone for providing me constructive feedback, :)
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#2 - 2015-02-10 10:03:25 UTC
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#3 - 2015-02-10 10:52:23 UTC
Since this service is directed at mission runners, this thread probably belongs in Missions & Complexes.
Troy Allan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-02-10 10:53:28 UTC
Which ever audience you guys feel is best suited!
Kenneth Endashi
Kor-Azor Slave Holdings
#5 - 2015-02-10 10:59:39 UTC
I like your idea. I think you put too much work on the client, though. Make it as easy as 'contract your stuff to us, enjoy maximized ISK.'

This way, they enjoy even less effort, less control and therefore less they're liable to **** up. Keeping negotiations slim-to-none also gives you more cushion for profit.

In fact, I wouldn't even mention your cut. That's your business. What you're offering is already worth the price since you're getting them significantly higher returns on their materials. If they don't like or trust that price, they can get lost. But I would give everyone the highest possible prices until you develop a good customer base, then start skimming off the top.

And delete this thread of course, should you decide you like my strategy. Don't give away corporate secrets so early on!
Troy Allan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-02-10 11:01:47 UTC
Kenneth Endashi wrote:
I like your idea. I think you put too much work on the client, though. Make it as easy as 'contract your stuff to us, enjoy maximized ISK.'

This way, they enjoy even less effort, less control and therefore less they're liable to **** up. Keeping negotiations slim-to-none also gives you more cushion for profit.

In fact, I wouldn't even mention your cut. That's your business. What you're offering is already worth the price since you're getting them significantly higher returns on their materials. If they don't like or trust that price, they can get lost. But I would give everyone the highest possible prices until you develop a good customer base, then start skimming off the top.

And delete this thread of course, should you decide you like my strategy. Don't give away corporate secrets so early on!


Definitely going to heed your advice on this. :) I appreciate your input Kenneth!
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#7 - 2015-02-10 11:49:58 UTC
Ya this is a good idea, but as it is now there is a lot of work expected of the client. Also, why are "taxes" so high?

TAUTX: Private Bank & Lending

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Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#8 - 2015-02-10 11:55:28 UTC
One word: Coolbean
Samsara Toldya
Academy of Contradictory Behaviour
#9 - 2015-02-10 13:35:33 UTC
Instead of looking up every single price on eve-central you could ask your customers to ctrl+a, ctrl+c, go to http://evepraisal.com/ , ctrl+v -> get a value.

Before Mobile Tractor Units were released and before the reprocessing changes there were several corporations offering to loot + salvage your mission for you. You just contracted bookmarks of each mission pocket to them, they collected the loot and paid you... uhm... I don't remember exakt figures. Like 60% the value of loot+salvage or something like that.

You'll soon find small stacks of market manipulated faction ammo or other (useless) rare drops inside the contracts you are offered, it will be a pita for you to check market history on every single item offered to not fall for these scams.
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#10 - 2015-02-10 14:18:00 UTC
Samsara Toldya wrote:
Instead of looking up every single price on eve-central you could ask your customers to ctrl+a, ctrl+c, go to http://evepraisal.com/ , ctrl+v -> get a value.

Before Mobile Tractor Units were released and before the reprocessing changes there were several corporations offering to loot + salvage your mission for you. You just contracted bookmarks of each mission pocket to them, they collected the loot and paid you... uhm... I don't remember exakt figures. Like 60% the value of loot+salvage or something like that.

You'll soon find small stacks of market manipulated faction ammo or other (useless) rare drops inside the contracts you are offered, it will be a pita for you to check market history on every single item offered to not fall for these scams.


This.

Also make sure to always check the contract value yourself, because it's easy to use evpraisal to scam you (include some more valuable items when you create the evepraisal link, but don't include them in the contract - hard to detect without evepraisal, if done right).

Looting/Salvaging for others could still work, because a mobile tractor unit works slow and if you are after bounties only, it's too slow. Use a Noctis, but be aware that you might get selected for a gank in certain areas.

Also keep an eye on upcoming changes for meta modules. It might be possible to make some extra ISK, if you keep a stack of items that go up in value after they get changed.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#11 - 2015-02-10 17:41:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
My favourite story about these services is the one where the person running it had their own appraisal website and could flip a switch to take an extra 20% cut if they thought the client wouldn't notice it Lol.

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Troy Allan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-02-10 19:53:30 UTC
Very cool everyone! Thanks for the great feedback Smile

In terms of the taxes - I literally just threw a number out there. It is a tad high.In terms of the client side of things, you're all very right - The client is almost doing all the leg work regarding their items, I'll just need to smooth that process over with something a little more direct and streamlined!

Once again, thanks every one! Keep an eye out for Venture Holding Company! feel free to add me ingame and such. :)
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#13 - 2015-02-10 23:37:11 UTC
Troy Allan wrote:
Very cool everyone! Thanks for the great feedback Smile

In terms of the taxes - I literally just threw a number out there. It is a tad high.In terms of the client side of things, you're all very right - The client is almost doing all the leg work regarding their items, I'll just need to smooth that process over with something a little more direct and streamlined!

Once again, thanks every one! Keep an eye out for Venture Holding Company! feel free to add me ingame and such. :)


Contact Coolbean. Seriously, he can ( I don't know whether he wants to) give you heaps of tips pulling this off.
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#14 - 2015-02-10 23:43:46 UTC
Troy Allan wrote:
Very cool everyone! Thanks for the great feedback Smile

In terms of the taxes - I literally just threw a number out there. It is a tad high.In terms of the client side of things, you're all very right - The client is almost doing all the leg work regarding their items, I'll just need to smooth that process over with something a little more direct and streamlined!

Once again, thanks every one! Keep an eye out for Venture Holding Company! feel free to add me ingame and such. :)

If you became dependable and trust worthy enough you could just have everyone contract you their goods for free, and pay out later once you accepted the contract, with a detailed evemail telling them how much you paid them for each item. This would be ideal, similar to the mission clean up salvage service. You could use a website tool like eve apraisal to give you regional average prices from jita, minus so much % as your cut and taxes. You'd have to operate for at least a year I'd guess though, before the mass public started trusting you with free contracts full of hella items.

TAUTX: Private Bank & Lending

TAUTX: Collateral Liquidation / Discount Items
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#15 - 2015-02-10 23:46:54 UTC
This is an interesting idea with lots of opportunities for you to rip people off without them noticing it.

I approve.

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Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#16 - 2015-02-10 23:53:07 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
This is an interesting idea with lots of opportunities for you to rip people off without them noticing it.

I approve.

I think this type of service caters to the lazy pilot, who is generally ok with being ripped off so long as he gets a couple isk back and involves less work

TAUTX: Private Bank & Lending

TAUTX: Collateral Liquidation / Discount Items
Troy Allan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-02-11 09:54:40 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Troy Allan wrote:
Very cool everyone! Thanks for the great feedback Smile

In terms of the taxes - I literally just threw a number out there. It is a tad high.In terms of the client side of things, you're all very right - The client is almost doing all the leg work regarding their items, I'll just need to smooth that process over with something a little more direct and streamlined!

Once again, thanks every one! Keep an eye out for Venture Holding Company! feel free to add me ingame and such. :)


Contact Coolbean. Seriously, he can ( I don't know whether he wants to) give you heaps of tips pulling this off.


Thanks for the contact - I will definitely reach out to Coolbean and see what he has to offer!

Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
This is an interesting idea with lots of opportunities for you to rip people off without them noticing it.

I approve.


Hardly my mission at this point - Want to provide folks with a decent service that I actually have a knack for. Cool

The only thing I need to do is get some clients at this point and hopefully that'll get the ball rolling!
Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
#18 - 2015-02-12 11:25:05 UTC
Koniforous wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
This is an interesting idea with lots of opportunities for you to rip people off without them noticing it.

I approve.

I think this type of service caters to the lazy pilot, who is generally ok with being ripped off so long as he gets a couple isk back and involves less work


Isn't that what the new sell window is for?

You trade in more convenience for less profit. You get ripped off by people setting up ridiculous low buy orders ... but at least you're ripped off in an officially approved manner. Blink

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Troy Allan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-02-12 11:52:09 UTC
Hel O'Ween wrote:
Koniforous wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
This is an interesting idea with lots of opportunities for you to rip people off without them noticing it.

I approve.

I think this type of service caters to the lazy pilot, who is generally ok with being ripped off so long as he gets a couple isk back and involves less work


Isn't that what the new sell window is for?

You trade in more convenience for less profit. You get ripped off by people setting up ridiculous low buy orders ... but at least you're ripped off in an officially approved manner. Blink


Heh, gotta love 'dem undercutters