Wormholes

you wrote this because you're artistic af

The ENTIRE reason Prolapse. is not in C5 space. It attracts bears like a paint brush full of honey to the nuts.

I have not and never will be an emperor of krabs.

so does this mean you do have an issue with QEX and HK using w-space citizen as a renter alliance and actively evicting people to get more renters?

I guess all those c5/c6 mags were empty then?
So evicting 4 mags in less than 10 days was not real?
2 of them done by QEX, that now have hk citizen poses in?

Removing someone from their home because you want that system for yourself, is quite often done, Mags are highly sought after. If you want your home again, then take it back!

I'm well aware of QEX + W Space Citizens.

The difference as I see it, and I could be completely wrong, is that HK Citizens is there for HK members to make ISK. HK then blow that **** up. HK's activity in creating content surely justifies this? Yes? No? Or am i drinking too much of Noobman's Koolaid?

W Space Citizens is a renter alliance, ISK goes to who knows where, and I don't see them enriching Wormholes unless you catch them farming. Hence my problem (I'm not speaking for SSC remember)

Yes HK have worked with QEX, so has LZHX. SSC has worked with HK and LZHX as well. There's been a short term goal that's wanted to be achieved and friendships are temporarily made.

Please post on mains :)

yeah, but doing so to plant a 100% farming alt op is HIGHLY frowned upon.
and when it's done by a 'PVP' group like HK who have previously evicted and generally sh*t talked many groups who PVE, it's beyond ironic.

Perhaps we're getting a little off track from Noobman's initial post about what HK Citizens is.

I agree most PvP groups do not like the idea of pure bear holes, but we all need to make ISK somehow and typically a home system cant feed a large groups wallets well enough. But if that bear hole allows said PvP group to buy more **** and use for overall content then I personally don't have an issue with it.

I do have an issue with bear holes of renters who just bear and do nothing to enrich W Space, apart from them making juicy targets.

Irony aside, if anyone doesn't like this they're more than welcome to seed/siege out the bear holes. It wouldn't take much to seed a gank fleet permanently in their holes, know their farming times, and gank them a few times.

There are many personalities in EvE and what some do, others do not like.

So stront up your Capitals, set long skill queues and get that out of corp scanner in the hole.

So what is your proposed 'size' limit for corps in wormholes? I actually think that HK have a halfway decent way of thinking about this. Personally I do as little PvE as possible and don't use caps because, well, they are a big investment and very risky. (FTR, I solo run C4s in dirt cheap BS)

I've been in a few wormhole corps/alliances, they all have suffered from the issue of locking out content (PVP) to make isk. Having a farming hole seems to keep the content stream active no-matter if people need to make isk or not.

I don't see this as any different than a group of people renting our a null sec system, or a player having an alt or two running incursions on the side. Well, yeah, one big difference-- (practically) solo capital escalations are about the riskiest dang thing I can think of doing in eve.

No local. D-Scan immune ships. Random chance of entrance into your system. Locked in place for minutes at a time in siege.

I think pretty much every relevant wormhole group out there has at one time shown how vulnerable this activity is to getting absolutely dumpster'ed by (rage or not) rolling into a site running fleet. At least in wspace you can just go in, get the kills and leave and not have to worry about silly protection from sov structures, or thousands of blues showing up.

This has all been great popcorn fodder, thanks.

Sorry, not everyone in wh space is blue to 3 separate entities with who they can get xxx amount of people.
Nor does a small 10 man corp who got evicted have any chance to take a wh back from someone like that.
So you trade 10 actual people who used to live there and do stuff (probably mostly carebearing), with an alt farm corp that is run by 1-2 guys (more than that, you are probably a bit special).

Not to mention hard knocks+QEX evicted band of magnus for killing hk gank set.
I wonder what would happen if a small corp was to take one of their farm wh's then.
You defending them like a good boy, just proves more how ssc is part of the cfc.