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Time to nerf sentry drones
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FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#21 - 2015-02-09 14:55:32 UTC
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Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2015-02-09 14:55:33 UTC
Why would a nerv to sentrys change the other drohnes ? Can´t understand this theory.

Yes sentry´s are powerfull and maybe need a little correction. No the other drones don´t need a buff they are good enough.

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Zekora Rally
U2EZ
#23 - 2015-02-09 15:53:56 UTC
Domi's will never replace Ishtars. Ishtars need their drone damage and hitpoint bonus scaled back to 5% given their drone damage application bonuses.
Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-02-09 16:32:09 UTC
in b4 lock!

no matter how much you want the fix for sentries, people will just hijack it into a nerf the ishtar thread, and it will be locked.

Use the force without consent and the court wont acquit you even if you are a card carryin', robe wearin' Jedi.
Arla Sarain
#25 - 2015-02-09 17:15:15 UTC
Make sentries inassistable.


Every other drone has travel time. Sentries are like artillery that no one else in fleet needs a lock for. Just one person locks a target presses a button and 50 drones make a wreck+pod.

Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2015-02-09 18:07:03 UTC
The only issue here is the inability of players to make an effort to counter them.

Its easier to call for nerfs.
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2015-02-09 18:10:53 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Someone will say hey shut up the only thing is good against ishtar is only an ishtar. Ok then switch your brains on and propise a new weapon new ship or whatever is.


Because not a single entity has been trying to do this. It is pure coincidence they all arrive at the same conclusion:

A) BLOB IT!
or
B) Just give in and use ishtars.


Sometimes people come up with novel ideas to kill ishtar fleets and you know what? They'd probably even work sometimes. Of course what they forget is it requires so many damned people it would be easier and more expedient at that point to kill them with....other ishtars. It's literally a poster child for broken when the counters are as stated above.


@Wulfy Johnson Drones already cap out at 60km before needing mods to get range....except on the go-to hull for fleet ops, the ishtar, which gets a free DLA II. Go figure.



So its not that the counter didn't work, but it involved working with other players.

Where did I see that Eve is a social game where you are suppose to work with other players........

I guess with your logic CCP should disband all the big coalitions and corps because if you wanted to beat them you would have to work with others....many others.
Sigras
Conglomo
#28 - 2015-02-09 18:48:10 UTC
I feel like this is definitely just an ishtar problem... If you look at it, an ishtar with 2 DDAs will out DPS any other ranged HAC even a fury HML cerberus

How would you feel if it only got 75 drone bay but a role bonus 50% bandwidth reduction to heavy drones?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2015-02-09 18:54:29 UTC
Syn Shi wrote:
afkalt wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Someone will say hey shut up the only thing is good against ishtar is only an ishtar. Ok then switch your brains on and propise a new weapon new ship or whatever is.


Because not a single entity has been trying to do this. It is pure coincidence they all arrive at the same conclusion:

A) BLOB IT!
or
B) Just give in and use ishtars.


Sometimes people come up with novel ideas to kill ishtar fleets and you know what? They'd probably even work sometimes. Of course what they forget is it requires so many damned people it would be easier and more expedient at that point to kill them with....other ishtars. It's literally a poster child for broken when the counters are as stated above.


@Wulfy Johnson Drones already cap out at 60km before needing mods to get range....except on the go-to hull for fleet ops, the ishtar, which gets a free DLA II. Go figure.



So its not that the counter didn't work, but it involved working with other players.

Where did I see that Eve is a social game where you are suppose to work with other players........

I guess with your logic CCP should disband all the big coalitions and corps because if you wanted to beat them you would have to work with others....many others.


The problem isn't player interaction, this will happen no matter what the good counter to a fleet of ishtar. Right now, that good counter happen to also be ishtars which is stupid. A ship counter should just not be that exact same ship. Players don't have an issue with having to form a fleet of something else, they just think it's broken when forming anything else to counter ishtars is basicaly a sidegrade at best to forming ishtars.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2015-02-09 21:44:24 UTC
*sigh* Here we go again...
Sinigr Shadowsong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-02-09 22:02:31 UTC
No changes in foreseaable future, get used to Ishtars and Sentries for a couple of years.
Just like it was with other overpowered ships/weapons.
To mare
Advanced Technology
#32 - 2015-02-09 22:08:04 UTC
i was posting this idea as a joke but honestly if implemented correctly it could word.

change the sentry drones so the dont act anymore as deployable turrets but more like missile launchers, keep the same dps as current sentries but different sentries have different ranges (via missile speed not flight time) and different application values.
if made properly this would reduce their usefulness as an anti-everything tool.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2015-02-09 22:53:38 UTC
To mare wrote:
i was posting this idea as a joke but honestly if implemented correctly it could word.

change the sentry drones so the dont act anymore as deployable turrets but more like missile launchers, keep the same dps as current sentries but different sentries have different ranges (via missile speed not flight time) and different application values.
if made properly this would reduce their usefulness as an anti-everything tool.


Ur talking about fighter bombers, right?

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
To mare
Advanced Technology
#34 - 2015-02-10 00:02:18 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
To mare wrote:
i was posting this idea as a joke but honestly if implemented correctly it could word.

change the sentry drones so the dont act anymore as deployable turrets but more like missile launchers, keep the same dps as current sentries but different sentries have different ranges (via missile speed not flight time) and different application values.
if made properly this would reduce their usefulness as an anti-everything tool.


Ur talking about fighter bombers, right?

i have no idea about how fighter bombers work because i stay out of capital warfare as much as possible, but im just saying sentry drones could be a deployable missile launcher, immobile, good stats, like actual sentries but its shot missiles instead of turret like instant damage, this way the weapon wont be very good for large blobs because of delayed damage/lag and it would be a bit more forgiving (but still viable) for small ship because of the difference in damage application between missiles and turrets
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#35 - 2015-02-10 02:42:40 UTC
Sentry counters that I know for a fact will work because we use them.

Long range think 100k arty or cruise fits.
Get in close fast and personal, think fast attack style here.
Dozens of combination of these two basics that we have used.

Above all to hell with the Ishtar, shoot the drones they are stationary targets in space and even 1400 mm arty can drill them with ease and trust me you hit them with this stuff and they die really quickly.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2015-02-10 08:02:10 UTC
Syn Shi wrote:
afkalt wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Someone will say hey shut up the only thing is good against ishtar is only an ishtar. Ok then switch your brains on and propise a new weapon new ship or whatever is.


Because not a single entity has been trying to do this. It is pure coincidence they all arrive at the same conclusion:

A) BLOB IT!
or
B) Just give in and use ishtars.


Sometimes people come up with novel ideas to kill ishtar fleets and you know what? They'd probably even work sometimes. Of course what they forget is it requires so many damned people it would be easier and more expedient at that point to kill them with....other ishtars. It's literally a poster child for broken when the counters are as stated above.


@Wulfy Johnson Drones already cap out at 60km before needing mods to get range....except on the go-to hull for fleet ops, the ishtar, which gets a free DLA II. Go figure.



So its not that the counter didn't work, but it involved working with other players.

Where did I see that Eve is a social game where you are suppose to work with other players........

I guess with your logic CCP should disband all the big coalitions and corps because if you wanted to beat them you would have to work with others....many others.


No it required bring 2x as many players on the "non ishtar" side. Guess what? If we have those numbers you know what kills ishtars like nothing else? Ishtars.



@Donnachadh: Cruise to kill Ishtars? I've LITERALLY seen it all now.



I'd trade this meta for drakes back tomorrow.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2015-02-10 08:21:54 UTC
Luna Arindale wrote:
This change would literally ruin all drone boats, remember when the domi was 68 mil because it was crap? Sentry drones haven't changed since then you know.

It was 68 mil because it was 65 mil to build.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2015-02-10 08:29:35 UTC
Domi was 54m in my mind and it was a good times, right before drama change it was 86 and next morning i found it 167 , so this trend clearly shows me that domi getting better and better especially with current prices.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#39 - 2015-02-10 09:36:17 UTC
Sentries are BS sized weapons so to speak, so should have large sized weapon tracking and sig res.
The issue currently is that they have medium sized weapon properties with large sized range & damage.
Change that and Ishtars might still be popular but won't be as crazy against all fleets.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2015-02-10 09:58:39 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Sentries are BS sized weapons so to speak, so should have large sized weapon tracking and sig res.
The issue currently is that they have medium sized weapon properties with large sized range & damage.
Change that and Ishtars might still be popular but won't be as crazy against all fleets.


Who told you that sentries are bs size?!
Where the hell is that written?!

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
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