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A Brief Commentary on the Uneven Distribution of Mineral Resources

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Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#1 - 2011-12-20 23:50:17 UTC
Hello friends. I am not here to discuss politics or ideology or any of that. I am here simply to discuss one thing: asteroids. I am doing this half out of a desire to arouse chuckles from my friends, and half out of a desire to merely discuss a trade I've not engaged in for awhile.

I was a miner for about a year, and travelled around much of the cluster to survey resources. I've mined in every patch of space I've been in, if only to collect data or build a shuttle or something. The rocks tell an interesting story, you see. A story of empires, ancestors, workers, toil, and triumph.

First, let us not imagine different areas of space as being so different. As far as physics and nature goes, there is not anything making Republic space different from State space.

I first began mining in high-security Republic space. To be specific, Josekorn. I noted that all throughout Republic space, both high and low security space, only certain minerals are available. Namely tritanium, pyerite, mexallon, and isogen. Not a bit of nocxium, megacyte, or zydrine is to be found. Meanwhile in a system of similar security status in the Empire was plentiful in nocxium by way of pyroxeres, but in turn lacks an isogen source. Why is this?

To put it simply, uneven mineral resource distribution across the cluster occurs because of human activity. One cannot find arkonor, for example, in high-security space simply because it is valuable, and the empires have long since mined the arkonor out of high-sec. Meanwhile, differences in construction techniques mean some empires rely on different mineral types in heavier amounts than others. This explains why one can find isogen from Omber in Republic or Federation hisec, but not in Empire or State hisec.

How does this impact you and I? To put it simply, all ships and modules are built with materials found from asteroids. These days, mining is not a very profitable venture for a capsuleer. It is much more efficient to gather resources by way of scavenging from the wrecks of downed ships and reprocessing the surviving equipment, which is how much of the high-security market for megacyte and zydrine is satisfied. And to a larger extent, the uneven distribution of mineral resources also impacts the common person living planet-side: commodities, vehicles, and even some building are made up of metals made from asteroid ores. Indeed, the very livelihood of the cluster depends on its industrial backbone.
Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-12-21 00:06:17 UTC
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How does this impact you and I? To put it simply, all ships and modules are built with materials found from asteroids. These days, mining is not a very profitable venture for a capsuleer. It is much more efficient to gather resources by way of scavenging from the wrecks of downed ships and reprocessing the surviving equipment


This is indeed how i do it as i have little experience in the way of mining and with a large demand for spare minerals needed to create modules and even whole new ships (quite a common need in my line of work) i find it safer recycling my kill rather than sitting out in a low/null security belt mining and waiting for someone to come along and vaporise me with a well aimed pulse shot.

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-12-21 01:52:07 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
the uneven distribution of mineral resources also impacts the common person living planet-side


When I was young we had some foreign dissidents on Khanid Prime once protesting about the uneven distribution of wealth. They called themselves "the 99.999%."

I was but a child, but took great pleasure when the riot police descended upon them with truncheons in hand.



Sabik now, Sabik forever

Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#4 - 2011-12-21 02:00:07 UTC
Mining is relaxing work for me and scanner probes enable me to find lonely places to mine where minerals can be obtained that are not normally available in the asteroid fields. For example, as I write this, I am mining Omber in Amarr space. (Gravimetric site).

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.

Mikkel Lybecker
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-12-21 02:59:47 UTC
Damn I'm falling asleep here. This is like lectures at Pator Tech. Didn't we all do Resources I in university days?
Raederelle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-12-21 03:20:40 UTC
Edaine Numenor wrote:
Mining is relaxing work for me and scanner probes enable me to find lonely places to mine where minerals can be obtained that are not normally available in the asteroid fields. For example, as I write this, I am mining Omber in Amarr space. (Gravimetric site).



I don't know why anyone would mine Omber right now, scanned belt or no. The price per volume of the minerals is terrible.

It has long irritated me that I don't have access to Pyro, however. I know that mining is somewhat looked down upon these days, but I think there is still room for mining specialists. If all the hulks mining Veld vanished tomorrow, the market would cry out for Tritanium and the price would quickly shoot up, maybe even rivaling that of Morphite.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#7 - 2011-12-21 04:36:04 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Rek Jaiga wrote:
the uneven distribution of mineral resources also impacts the common person living planet-side


When I was young we had some foreign dissidents on Khanid Prime once protesting about the uneven distribution of wealth. They called themselves "the 99.999%."

I was but a child, but took great pleasure when the riot police descended upon them with truncheons in hand.





Ugh, nasty little creature--did you take pleasure in pulling the wings off flies, tooUgh

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#8 - 2011-12-21 06:10:24 UTC
Khazarn Areth wrote:
This is indeed how i do it as i have little experience in the way of mining and with a large demand for spare minerals needed to create modules and even whole new ships (quite a common need in my line of work) i find it safer recycling my kill rather than sitting out in a low/null security belt mining and waiting for someone to come along and vaporise me with a well aimed pulse shot.


I find the same things being done here in the lowsec warzone. It is much quicker and safer, even, for me to scavenge through wreckage and gather resources like that than to undock a specialized mining ship. I do, however, sometimes have need of a Scythe-class cruiser for mining that pesky mineral that always seems to run out: mexallon. Everything I scavenge seems to be low in the stuff, and plagioclase being what it is...mexallon is just a pain. But every new ship built and given to my comrades is worth it.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#9 - 2011-12-21 06:14:05 UTC
Raederelle wrote:
Edaine Numenor wrote:
Mining is relaxing work for me and scanner probes enable me to find lonely places to mine where minerals can be obtained that are not normally available in the asteroid fields. For example, as I write this, I am mining Omber in Amarr space. (Gravimetric site).



I don't know why anyone would mine Omber right now, scanned belt or no. The price per volume of the minerals is terrible.

It has long irritated me that I don't have access to Pyro, however. I know that mining is somewhat looked down upon these days, but I think there is still room for mining specialists. If all the hulks mining Veld vanished tomorrow, the market would cry out for Tritanium and the price would quickly shoot up, maybe even rivaling that of Morphite.


Back when I used to be a dedicated miner, Omber had the best ISK-per-cubic meter ratio. It would sometimes drop below ISK/m^3 as compared to scordite, surprisingly. Not sure how the market is now because I gather resources for personal or corporate production rather than selling.

Yes, pyroxeres would be a rather nice ore to have in Republic space. As I said, though, it is clear that all the well-known belts have long since been stripped of the stuff. As Edaine pointed out though, there are undiscovered belts that one may scan down which at times contain rarer materials.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#10 - 2011-12-21 06:21:34 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Rek Jaiga wrote:
the uneven distribution of mineral resources also impacts the common person living planet-side


When I was young we had some foreign dissidents on Khanid Prime once protesting about the uneven distribution of wealth. They called themselves "the 99.999%."

I was but a child, but took great pleasure when the riot police descended upon them with truncheons in hand.





Odd to compare the two scenarios. One is caused by a history of industrial processes and the other by a theological regime's policies.
Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#11 - 2011-12-21 13:19:09 UTC
Admission time: I am a terrible businessman, but I enjoy mining and exploring. I usually pick what I mine by what I happen to find and not if I can make much doing it. The name of my mining hulk, by the way, is "Fiscal Malfeasance." That's sort of my business model. Roll

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.

Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#12 - 2011-12-22 00:10:20 UTC
Well there's nothign wrong with mining for its own sake Edaine. I personally don't sell minerals, but rather use them for construction. On the off chance I am mining for ISK, I'll just mine Concentrated Veldspar and sell the resulting tritanium; very simple and relaxing.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#13 - 2011-12-22 00:18:37 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
Well there's nothign wrong with mining for its own sake Edaine. I personally don't sell minerals, but rather use them for construction. On the off chance I am mining for ISK, I'll just mine Concentrated Veldspar and sell the resulting tritanium; very simple and relaxing.


Also, ice and gas products come almost solely from mining, unless of course you can find industrial ships transporting said materials and acquire them by force. So, it is certainly a required activity, and worthy of investing time and energy into.

I do miss mining with you Rek, it can be a good time and it is an inexpensive way to produce ships and ammo.
Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#14 - 2011-12-22 00:57:13 UTC
Today. its hemorphite and Jaspet in 0.6 space. Occasional Sansha show up, but defensive drones take care of them.

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.

Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#15 - 2011-12-22 04:34:32 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:

Also, ice and gas products come almost solely from mining, unless of course you can find industrial ships transporting said materials and acquire them by force. So, it is certainly a required activity, and worthy of investing time and energy into.

I do miss mining with you Rek, it can be a good time and it is an inexpensive way to produce ships and ammo.

This is true; I hadn't considered the non-mineral resources such as ice and the like. Those truly can be claimed only by the dedicated miner.

I miss mining with you too.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#16 - 2011-12-22 06:54:09 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:


When I was young we had some foreign dissidents on Khanid Prime once protesting about the uneven distribution of wealth. They called themselves "the 99.999%."

I was but a child, but took great pleasure when the riot police descended upon them with truncheons in hand.





This explains quite a lot. It also proves my Psychology professors were correct about the predictors of psychopathy.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#17 - 2011-12-22 15:25:08 UTC
I had my very first wormhole mining experience today. It was not profitable money-wise but it was very profitable experience-wise and excitement-wise. The wormhole could not handle an exhumer, so I took in an Arbitrator fitted with scanners, miners II's, Warrior II's, Shield extenders, etc. I wanted a stable power setup and reasonable defense. I mined Arkonor, but had to quit as the hole became unstable. I was attacked by sleepers but the Warriors did their job. The little I was able to mine didn't amount to much. I need more skills to do this right. It wasn't the typical ho hum mining run.

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.

Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-12-22 16:04:50 UTC
Edaine Numenor wrote:
I had my very first wormhole mining experience today. It was not profitable money-wise but it was very profitable experience-wise and excitement-wise. The wormhole could not handle an exhumer, so I took in an Arbitrator fitted with scanners, miners II's, Warrior II's, Shield extenders, etc. I wanted a stable power setup and reasonable defense. I mined Arkonor, but had to quit as the hole became unstable. I was attacked by sleepers but the Warriors did their job. The little I was able to mine didn't amount to much. I need more skills to do this right. It wasn't the typical ho hum mining run.


Let me put it this way: You almost never see anything other than ABCM mined in wormhole space. The rest of the minerals just get left on the table due to hauling problems.

Also: Be glad it was only Sleepers that jumped you.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#19 - 2011-12-22 19:45:50 UTC
Well he was mining ABCM ore, notably Arkonor. But yes, for mining such ores you'll want a dedicated hauling ship because of the sheer amount of space they take up, particularly when you look at the amount needed to get anything useful by refinement.

Edaine, I'm quite surprised the Sleepers didn't destroy your ship. I've heard they're quite powerful. But at least you learned something new.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#20 - 2011-12-22 19:48:08 UTC
This is probably some kind of stealth complaint that the Amarr "stole all the resources" of the Pator system.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

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