Intergalactic Summit

I don't believe that a policy of "strategic patience" is applicable to this situation. While I don't necessarily argue to "kill them all" ... many people in this thread have misinterpreted me in this point ... the citizenry of the Federation and indeed of all New Eden deserve more from their leadership than simply a bunch of overpaid leaders sitting on their hands until stars explode.

Ms. Kim, in all due respect, given your stance regarding enemies of the State, you're not one to criticize that approach, regardless of who shot first.

Regardless of their motives, any conclusions made regarding their motives are purely speculative, the fact remains that the Circadian Seekers have been exhibiting increased levels of aggression.

Now, based on the fact that Circadian Seeker behavior has been consistent throughout empires and extra-empire space, this should be a matter of concern for everyone, not just residents of the Federation. Would you have a different tone if the leader of the 4th District or PIE made such a call-to-action?

They spy on us, and construct cloaked infrastructure in our territory.

As much as it pains me to agree with a Caldari fanatic, Ms. Kim is right. We must understand them better before we ultimately decide what to do about their presence.

Ms. Kim, Mr. Renvolint, let's not devolve this with name calling. We have managed to almost reach a rational discourse on the matter. Let's not ruin that.

Ms. Kim, have you spent much if any time in anoikis? If you have, you'd have to agree about the grave potential threat that the Sleepers pose. Let's also not forget Caroline's Star and it's apparent, if only coincidental, connection to the escalation of Seeker behavior.

We need to be prepared for the worst. As an experienced soldier, you know that a proper defense requires preparation. If we need to defend ourselves, baseliners, and whatever it is that we cherish from an assault by the Sleepers, we need to be prepared before such an attack occurs.

That being said, you have a valid point. We are not able to communicate with them. The prudent course of action is to continue attempts to communicate with and understand them while we prepare ourselves for the worst.

Surely, we can agree on that?

Now, is this a course that is best pursued in the fashion of a mob, each organization haring down it's own path where they will inevitably collide and conflict with each other? Or do we recognize the importance of this cause and cooperate together? Are we capable of such cooperation? Recent actions, such as operations against Nauplius' towers and the escort of the Arcology convoy would say we are.

Look past who started this discussion and what agenda he may've had, and focus on the cause.

Please quote where, i may have missed it.

Spying and constructing hidden outposts behind enemy lines: Apparently not considered aggressive action.

I hope you won't mind then, when Amarr goes and sends unmarked scouts into your nation's space and constructs hidden spying facilities while analyzing your defensive infrastructure. It's not aggressive, really.




Yes. Knowledge is one of the best weapons you can use. Hence why the sleepers are doing it to us. And with the knowledge that pacifists will do nothing to stop them, they'll have all the time in the world to gather the intel they need for whenever they do decide to act violently.

These structures have been here for a seemingly very long time- I do not think that the Sleepers constructed them. They are of a much different design, much more similar to Jovian architecture (though still quite different).

I do not take it as aggressive because the Jovians have, in the past, only done things to help us. If these structures are there because of them, I feel more comfortable than not. They have been here for a long time and have not been used in any malicious manner against us.

And yet we do not know if they are actually Jovian in origin either. They could also be the fabled Sansha wormhole generators, or rogue drone hives, or pirate research bases, or covert CONCORD posts or even be owned by one of the empires. This is why it is so foolish to act without prior knowledge and careful consideration. For now I will invest my trust in Imperial authorities if they ever get around to informing us of just what is going on.

My point was and is that the Jovians have never hindered us; the gift of the capsule, though we know not their motivations for doing so and which could indeed be quite selfish, has spurred the development of our entire way of life.

They have not solely worked to aid us, but they have aided. They have not attacked us, and have never clashed with another empire except in self-defense.

And indeed, though the builders of the structures would be in violation of the Yulai convention, we must consider the possibility that the structures existed before the convention itself took place. If the builders were Jovian, than they remain in contempt of the convention, but in a less direct way than if they had breached it after the convention.

If it was not the Jovians that constructed these behemoths, than we have two possibilities:

1, in which the creators of these cloaked constructs are extinct, thus placing the structures in the same category as the Talocan, Yan-Jung, and other ancient-race structures found in the cluster. These are allowed as relics.

2, In which the creators are still alive but have not made themselves known to us. If it was the Sleepers, we will certainly be seeing much more happen between the empires and these constructs. If it was someone else, then all bets are off- anything could happen.

I would take comfort, personally, in knowing that the structures are Jovian. I have no qualms with their actions in the past and, in fact, I take a great interest in their history and technologies. I hold no preconceptions over them, and in truth, I would trust them over much of whet we are told by the empires and CONCORD.