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Open Letter to Rainbow Knights
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NoobMan
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-02-09 05:41:16 UTC
This mail was sent to all members of Rainbow Knights.

Hello Diplos and Leaders of Rainbow Knights!

It is that time of the year where Hard Knocks has pulled another public stunt. Once again the story has gone too far and people have taken things too seriously. I want to address what people are getting so bitter about: Hard Knocks' Renter Alliance.

Hard Knocks does not have renters. The Alliance was originally formed to group all of our alt corps so when we rolled into one of our own corps we didn't accidentally seed them. You might think "why wouldn't we just put a note on Siggy?" Well, with the rapid increase of HK dread and carrier alts the Alt Corps were emerging faster than we could keep track of them.

So what did Muhadin and I think of one night... We thought it would be hilarious to set up an Alliance called "Hard Knocks Citizens". Our plan was to keep quiet and let people stumble upon our Alliance by themselves. We wanted to see what fiction people would create in their minds. Eventually we would publicly confirm everything. We would boast about pulling in tens of billions of ISK in rental income per month, and exacerbate the myths and lies people would spread.

In its infancy our original Alt Alliance was named Filth. [WHLEL]. The ticker was terrible. It only had 3-4 corps.

A thread was made to make a new Alliance.
http://puu.sh/fvpCt/5bc900954a.jpg

Plenty of suggestions were given
xXTheBearBoizXx -Brax
Gold Diggers. -Shanq
Scared Wormhole People - Muha
The Bearing Sea [Bear] -343guilty1
ticker has to be Pinch / IPinch / Pnch or similar.. - Matt0649
A lot of krab names ensue. 5 pages into it I post
http://puu.sh/fvprp/40de2dec71.jpg

http://puu.sh/fvpwf/bbbd34ce66.jpg

Everyone has a good laugh and agrees.

Suddenly the new hip thing in HK is to set up a bear hole. People start buying up tons of dread and carrier pilots and grabbing up holes. As you can see today HKRAB is at around 150 people, with a dozen or so corps. There are still 3-4 alt corps that people didn't want to join with.

So you might be asking why do we do this? This is the reason I'm writing this letter. I'm hoping others will understand and maybe try the experiment we've found successful. Hard Knocks as a corp does not facilitate any PVE. None. We have not run homesites in our home since July 2014. Homesites are currently banned in HK. http://puu.sh/fvr0p/31662afbe3.png

We have agreed as leadership that homesites create drama, and lock our home hole down for hours per day which is prime time activity timezones. When homesites were complete in the past, the active members would drop out of fleets and off comms and nothing would happen (red: No tackled carriers 23/7). Our SRP and entire corp budget is funded by PVP loot. We do not need to run sites and tax people. This is only able to work for us because we have more time to PVP.

I just wanted to clarify things, and explain the model our corp runs by. If you have any questions about the specifics, I am an open book when it come to most things in Eve and would be happy to chat.

TL;DR
HK renter alliance is a big joke. We just PVE in alt corps and do not run homesites in Rage. Sorry if you got upset.

Love you guys,
Noobman

Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.
NoobMan
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-02-09 05:45:03 UTC
I figure I would let everyone know what's going on, if you have any questions feel free to ask or mail me, I'm a pretty Open Book.

Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.
Braxus Deninard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#3 - 2015-02-09 05:55:38 UTC
NoobMan wrote:
xXTheBearBoizXx -Brax


p upset we didn't go with this
Wexa Tion
New Eden Corporation 98773700
New Eden Alliance 99013620
#4 - 2015-02-09 05:57:39 UTC
like the trollzy aspect
scared wormhole people still would have been hilarious
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-02-09 06:31:56 UTC
So what you're saying is that you're not a giant rental group but that you are in fact a giant PVE farming group.
Sure, that's a much better image to have. Makes sense.

There is no Bob.

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NoobMan
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-02-09 07:02:03 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
So what you're saying is that you're not a giant rental group but that you are in fact a giant PVE farming group.
Sure, that's a much better image to have. Makes sense.


Yes we have 150 PVE alts in a separate alliance, everyone is responsible for making their income elsewhere. HK does not facilitate any PVE for our members.


Everyone has to have an income to pay for plex and shiny ships to blow up.

Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.
Wexa Tion
New Eden Corporation 98773700
New Eden Alliance 99013620
#7 - 2015-02-09 07:17:41 UTC
NoobMan wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
So what you're saying is that you're not a giant rental group but that you are in fact a giant PVE farming group.
Sure, that's a much better image to have. Makes sense.


Yes we have 150 PVE alts in a separate alliance, everyone is responsible for making their income elsewhere. HK does not facilitate any PVE for our members.


Everyone has to have an income to pay for plex and shiny ships to blow up.



quit making all this SENSE
Billy Hardcore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-02-09 08:18:18 UTC
i feel so conflicted right now

#BillyFleet
Cimsoc the Great
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-02-09 12:17:32 UTC
I guess sometimes making a fake rental empire backfires...

https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=27370228

Posting on a noob alt on the other hand... Big smile
Mahmoud Khatami Ahmadinejad
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-02-09 13:21:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Mahmoud Khatami Ahmadinejad
sure, hk citizens might be a joke, but w-space citizen isnt, which is where the actual renters are.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2015-02-09 14:35:13 UTC
baited

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
#12 - 2015-02-09 14:55:52 UTC
I wanted to bite the bait but it was already bitten so I just come to hail the new king of wormholespace :D

~Bringer of happiness

http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/
Ayeson
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-02-09 16:41:55 UTC
Eventually you all would've found you about this when my memoirs hit the top of the best seller list.

I ♥ the orthrus
A lalala long
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-02-09 19:42:01 UTC
This post will not save your c6's.
Ayeson
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-02-09 21:13:47 UTC
A lalala long wrote:
This post will not save your c6's.


Post with your main

I ♥ the orthrus
NoobMan
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-02-09 21:18:05 UTC
A lalala long wrote:
This post will not save your c6's.


That is great news! We are a C5 corp.

That is not the reason I wrote this. I wrote it to explain how we developed a new system to run our corp by. Something that if other Corps would try out themselves, I think there would be higher chances for PvP.

The negatives to running consistent homesites:

  • Your home is locked down for hours. This means your not our hunting for other groups and other groups can not find your chain/home to try and provoke a fight.
  • If by some chance your entire Bear Fleet gets killed by a Seed fleet then your "Home Protection Dread Deterrent" is become weaker.
  • Lastly, and maybe this only applied to HK, but homesites caused activity to plummet . Everyone would log in to PVE and log off after the hour or two it took to run sites. And by the end of the sites we hated each other.


It's a different system, but we like it.

Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.
Tiger Tesla
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-02-09 21:25:41 UTC
NoobMan wrote:
A lalala long wrote:
This post will not save your c6's.


That is great news! We are a C5 corp.

That is not the reason I wrote this. I wrote it to explain how we developed a new system to run our corp by. Something that if other Corps would try out themselves, I think there would be higher chances for PvP.

The negatives to running consistent homesites:

  • Your home is locked down for hours. This means your not our hunting for other groups and other groups can not find your chain/home to try and provoke a fight.
  • If by some chance your entire Bear Fleet gets killed by a Seed fleet then your "Home Protection Dread Deterrent" is become weaker.
  • Lastly, and maybe this only applied to HK, but homesites caused activity to plummet . Everyone would log in to PVE and log off after the hour or two it took to run sites. And by the end of the sites we hated each other.


It's a different system, but we like it.


I can definately see the train of thought that led you here. As the CEO of a relatively new kid on the C6 block I hate it when we run sites. Sure. It's great to put isk in the members pockets, but when people log on and off based around when/if sites are happening then no one is happy. Both activities can't happen at the same time. But it does make your site running/farming holes much more vulnerable to eviction, as it is basically stated their only purpose is farming without a defense other than the threat of a big stick.
A lalala long
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2015-02-09 22:11:03 UTC
Band of Magnus didnt seem to have any problems bearing in their home wh.
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
#19 - 2015-02-09 22:15:35 UTC
This thread highlights the need for Corbexx's suggestion to alter cap escalation in c5/6

~Bringer of happiness

http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-02-09 22:20:24 UTC
calaretu wrote:
This thread highlights the need for Corbexx's suggestion to alter cap escalation in c5/6

^basically this.
have PVE expo holes has been common practice for years now, it's just that generally people sent alts out for a week or so to make a couple dozen bil and then bring them back home rather than setting up a vast PVE empire...
but carebear's are gonna carebear i guess *shrug*

There is no Bob.

Stuck In Here With Me:  http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/

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