EVE General Discussion

Okay. Fantastic. They don't have to have an interest in that. It's great that they stay away if they can't handle it, rather than come into the group and start making demands about people's behavior.

My input has been welcomed on dozens of occassions over the years. Your opinion is like your a-hole. Everybody's got one. You seem to think yours is unique somehow...to the point of becoming FACT perhaps? Not likely.

I'm a female gamer and sure, there's things that tick me off about the incredible immaturity that goes on in some voice chats. That, however, is sadly universal to MMO's, including the fact that a lot of men apparently don't believe women play MMO games, let alone engage in PVP. There's different ways of dealing with this, and most of us find one way or another.

So no, I don't think that explains the lack of interest in EVE.

I do not think the explanation is a fear of women of 'hardcore' gaming/PVPing or losing stuff when killed. There are other games with harsh PVP conditions, and I've seen more women there than seems to be the average here in EVE.

Part of it may simply be a lack of interest in science fiction. Women are conditioned by western society to be less interested in hard sciences and mathematics and more interested in the 'soft' sciences.

Part of it may be the fact that most women like communities and social interaction. Having an environment where you cannot even trust your own corp mates is a strong disincentive to playing.

Do you know why missiles are shaped like penises? Because they were built by MEN. MEN who want to throw their penises around all over the place and cover the world with their foul "explosions", if you get my meaning.

What? Missiles are shaped like that because they need to be aerodynamic?

N..n..noooo... they're penises! Filthy filthy penises! Built by menfolk. You know what you get when you take the word MEN, move the M to the end, put an E before it, and a Y after it? ENEMY. Coincidence? I think not.

very disturbing if true.

this is a very interesting subject, i disagree that "eve should not be changed to include women", an opinion voiced by someone above.
eve should be changed to include women, or should at least try not to exclude them in such a way that the quoted phrase demonstrates. Its sad to think that even the few women that want to play EVE need ways to hide their gender inorder to not drown in the testosterone tsunami that is currently EVE.

I really enjoy EVE as it is, a boys club, but it can be better.
Making the EvEverse female friendly without it losing its competitive edge (the male friendly factor) is a huge challenge for CCP, but one with great rewards if accomplished.
Rewards such as, almost double the current playerbase and a better community, balanced and mature.

To whoever wants to argue about the currect community, i urge them to just take a look at these forums, where its usually 20% constructive posts, the rest being pointless chest beating and length measuring. We can do better.

missiles and penis's have the same fundamental prupose ... to penetrate. hehe, that's why they shaped similarly. ;-)

a penis shaped like Mr Strong wouldn't be very pleasant for either party ... likewise a pretty useless missile. ;-)

To elabroate on what I said a minute ago, most women I know don't want to play Eve because it's become a self-reinforcing bubble of stupid bravado and masculine crudeness. In most MMOs, a lot of immature habits - And argue that it's your right to do it as much as you want, because it ultimately is, but spouting constant sexual threats and sexually rooted slurs is immature in the eyes of society, like it or not - Have been slowly driven away because the population of women was big enough that people got enough negative feedback that they gave up.

But Eve has been so completely male dominated, and for so long, that instead a that a lot of men playing it have established it as a safe space for that sort of thing in their minds, and so will naturally get defensive when anyone tries to intrude on it. Look at how many people are shouting "If you don't like it, get out!" over and over. The people sick of it have left already, and the ones left don't want to change. It's a classic boys club.

Eve (in most cases) is the only MMO left where I get heckled instantly for describing myself as a feminist. It is the only MMO left where people make jokes or crappy comments when I speak in a voice chat server for the first time. It is the only MMO left where people throw out slurs like crazy and feel confident enough to tell me to shove it when I point out that they're acting like snickering boys at the back of a playground.

No amount of features that appeal to women demographically, like avatar gameplay or stuff to "build", will change that at this point.

Mature well advertise corps and alliances that kick the immature guys out will attract women.

Yeah. AND, I think we're underplaying the notion that corporate endorsement of sociopathic behavior tends to appeal to sociopaths. We're actually invaded by some pretty imbalanced people at this point.

Why would "SJW" types cry about EVE? CCP makes fun of the damsel in distress trope with... The Damsel in Distress mission. The female clothes tend to be sensible. The sexes are represented equally with regards to clothing and character customization. Valkyrie's main NPC is to be a female fighter pilot and a leader of sorts. Voiced by a female actress who played a bad ass fighter pilot character. They got rid of the pleasure hub chick. They added Exotic Dancers, Male. The old artwork with silly scantily clad women is nowhere to be seen anymore. EVE would probably be praised by such people.

Apparently sensible depictions of females doesn't bring in flocks of female gamers all by itself though.

As for Sarkeesian... I don't get it. Maybe I didn't watch the right videos. The couple that I saw had her pointing out the obvious over and over. This causes the internets to explode? Meh.