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Dev blog: Corp Little Things & Friendly Fire Control

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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2015-02-09 15:01:55 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
With Tiamat, to be released on February 17, we will get first improvements to the management of corporations aimed to support CEO's and directors with managing their corporations.

Regular members will also benefit from the new "Friendly Fire" toggle which allows corporations to choose (with a cooldown of 24 hours) if friendly fire within the corporation stays legal as it is now or if it should become illegal so that CONCORD will take action.

Read more about the Friendly Fire control and the corporations management improvements in CCP Punkturis' latest blog Corp Little Things & Friendly Fire Control.

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#2 - 2015-02-09 15:02:55 UTC
o/

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CCP Masterplan
C C P
C C P Alliance
#3 - 2015-02-09 15:03:25 UTC
Shoot all the greens!

"This one time, on patch day..."

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Dominique Vasilkovsky
#4 - 2015-02-09 15:10:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Dominique Vasilkovsky
So by default will the safety be on or off come Fab 17th?
CCP Lebowski
C C P
C C P Alliance
#5 - 2015-02-09 15:11:19 UTC
Turn your safetys on for Tiamat!

Or, you know, don't. I'm not the boss of you..... Blink

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big miker
Frogleap Factories
#6 - 2015-02-09 15:18:08 UTC
Can't wait for the roles update though Big smile

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CCP Rise
C C P
C C P Alliance
#7 - 2015-02-09 15:18:57 UTC
I'm obsessed with Tove Lo. Great blog!

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TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#8 - 2015-02-09 15:19:26 UTC  |  Edited by: TheSmokingHertog
CCP wrote:
Your communities keep getting bigger and more popular, with groups such as Spectre Fleet and RvB Ganked getting close to the maximum mailing list size. To enable them to keep growing, we’ve upped the limit on mailing list membership from 3000 people to 5000.


So, we now upped the amount of people in a corporation limit, the limit of mailing lists, but Contracts and Market Orders stay still the same. I really dont get this.

The "What next?" looks awesome btw.

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#9 - 2015-02-09 15:28:21 UTC
Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:
So by default will the safety be on or off come Fab 17th?


Existing corps will default to friendly fire being legal, since that's the way it works pre-patch.

New corps will have to choose which option they prefer at corp creation.

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CCP Sharq
C C P
C C P Alliance
#10 - 2015-02-09 15:33:56 UTC
o/

Rock & Roles!

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Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-02-09 15:38:51 UTC
Hopefully the changes to roles is right around the corner
John McCreedy
Eve Defence Force
#12 - 2015-02-09 15:42:45 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
So pretty much this is a high-sec only change because it does precisely bog all for low sec and null sec where there's no concord. Any fool can still join a corp, can still awox by running around shooting everyone in your corp, your alliance and your blue list, you still can't remove them until they've docked or logged off which in itself assumes you have a Director or CEO online because you still haven't added the option to remove people from a corporation to the Personnel Officer role, and, if they have roles, still can't remove them for 24 hours, the inevitable conclusion being that you're removed from your alliance as a precaution, are invariably trapped in what is now hostile space, having to wait for your application back to the alliance to be accepted by the Alliance leader, who, if on holiday, leaves you right up the shitter without a paddle thereby ruining the game experience for that entire corporation's members. This is not a worthwhile change.

Removed some offensive content. -ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
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Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-02-09 15:51:45 UTC
"Setting friendly fire as legal or illegal"

Can you elaborate on how this will work with FW and faction standing hits? If the setting is illegal, will you take a faction standing hit (like shooting friendly militia today) or no standing hit (like shooting a FW corpmate today)? Can you also confirm that after this change that if friendly fire is legal, shooting a corp mate will continue to not incur a faction standing penalty.


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GeeShizzle MacCloud
#14 - 2015-02-09 15:56:06 UTC
...drools at the final teaser picture

Shocked


in all seriousness great improvements all round, and a well stated case for the friendly fire change too!

:golfclap:
CCP Masterplan
C C P
C C P Alliance
#15 - 2015-02-09 15:59:09 UTC
Andre Vauban wrote:
"Setting friendly fire as legal or illegal"

Can you elaborate on how this will work with FW and faction standing hits? If the setting is illegal, will you take a faction standing hit (like shooting friendly militia today) or no standing hit (like shooting a FW corpmate today)? Can you also confirm that after this change that if friendly fire is legal, shooting a corp mate will continue to not incur a faction standing penalty.

If both characters are in the same faction:
* A legal attack on a corpmate will not incur any faction penalty
* An illegal attack on a corpmate will incur a faction penalty
Limited engagements and other cases will always make an attack legal, regardless of the corp setting.

"This one time, on patch day..."

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Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#16 - 2015-02-09 16:00:47 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:
So by default will the safety be on or off come Fab 17th?


Existing corps will default to friendly fire being legal, since that's the way it works pre-patch.

New corps will have to choose which option they prefer at corp creation.


You left out that for new corps that "choose", the defaulted option is FF Off...
Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#17 - 2015-02-09 16:14:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Shailagh
It says in the corp search, you can filter out all the evil FF-ON corps.
Will you be giving us the option to filter out the risk-adverse FF-OFF corps? And only search for FF Enabled corps??

If not, why the disparity?
CCP Lebowski
C C P
C C P Alliance
#18 - 2015-02-09 16:15:25 UTC
John McCreedy wrote:
So pretty much this is a high-sec only change because it does precisely bog all for low sec and null sec where there's no concord. Any fool can still join a corp, can still awox by running around shooting everyone in your corp [...]
Correct! These friendly fire changes only affect the 'legality' of an offensive act against corp mates, so will mostly only affect actions in high sec. This is completely intentional.

John McCreedy wrote:
[...] you still can't remove them until they've docked or logged off which in itself assumes you have a Director or CEO online because you still haven't added the option to remove people from a corporation to the Personnel Officer role, and, if they have roles, still can't remove them for 24 hours, the inevitable conclusion being that you're removed from your alliance as a precaution, are invariably trapped in what is now hostile space, having to wait for your application back to the alliance to be accepted by the Alliance leader, who, if on holiday, leaves you right up the shitter without a paddle thereby ruining the game experience for that entire corporation's members. This is not a worthwhile change.
That seems to be a really specific set of circumstances that have lead to that situation!

There's also a really good reason you can't kick someone while they are logged on in space, as this could lead to all manner of war dec and crimewatch explotation (Just one off the top of my head: Guy joins legal ff corp, directer tells guy to shoot him, director kicks guys before he opens fire, guy opens fire and suffers a swift death at the hands of concord) As we mentioned in the blog, the work Five 0 are doing on the roles system is underway, and concerns such as yours about the personnel manager will be taken into account, but the work is currently not ready to be discussed so please bear with us and watch out for more communication from Five 0 in the future!

Additionally, you may not be aware but we've recently added a corp auto kick queue that ensures unwanted members are kicked from the corp at the next downtime, which does a small amount to mitigate your problem.

John McCreedy wrote:
How would you like me to take a job in CCP, bring a Cricket bat with me and start tearing up the place, smashing the computers and knocking seven bells out of the staff and laugh as it takes you twenty four hours to get rid of me assuming Hilmar is at work that day? That's what it is to be a CEO in low sec/null sec in Eve.
I'm no expert on the subject but I'm fairly sure our hiring process would mitigate this concern, maybe yours should too? Lol

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Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#19 - 2015-02-09 16:19:31 UTC
CCP Lebowski wrote:
I'm no expert on the subject but I'm fairly sure our hiring process would mitigate this concern, maybe yours should too? Lol


Lol if bears were capable of doing so, this change wouldnt be necessary. Dont we all wish their corps could have standards to hiring but come on man, we dont live in Neverland. This is eve where ceos just randomly click Accept and need to be protected from their actions by you devs
Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#20 - 2015-02-09 16:30:07 UTC
Seriously why cant we search only for corps with FF Enabled (legal)???
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