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Mining - Are there really pirates out there ?

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2015-02-09 14:00:50 UTC
The story sounds implausible, but then again I am fairly certain that a Manticore that was hunting me last night managed to instead target, scram, and fire on a wormhole....which I didn't know was possible. So I'm in a mood to believe anything at the moment.
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#22 - 2015-02-09 14:07:46 UTC
yeah miners blowing up is all just made up stuff
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-02-09 14:44:59 UTC
I found Nevil Oscillator for you.
From: Natakko Saijimo
Sent: 2015.02.09 14:44

I've found your sleazebag.

He is at Urhinichi IX - State War Academy station in the Urhinichi system, Suon constellation of The Citadel region.

With regards,

Natakko Saijimo



just sayin'
Aldeskwatso
Primus Societas
Crimson Interstellar Alliance
#24 - 2015-02-09 14:47:22 UTC
Yes pirates or suicide gankers more specifically in this case are out there. It's just they arent that big of a deal as many make them out to be.

If you know what you doing you can quite safely greed fit your miner and ignore the odd chance you get ganked. It could literally be years before someone pulls it off.

The biggest obstacle you'll encounter doing anything is yourself.
Nevil Oscillator
#25 - 2015-02-09 15:08:19 UTC
AeonOfTime wrote:
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
I don't think it was a gank, I think it was a genuine mistake


Did you try asking him/her?



No I was too busy going to fetch a ship to loot his drones


Chal0ner wrote:
Chribba wrote:
If you weren't before. You may be after the pirates read this post of yours.


You beat me to the comment Ugh


Clearly this is a risk I have decided is negligible.
Serene Repose
#26 - 2015-02-09 15:14:30 UTC
40 miners out of 22,000+ people online at the moment? Someone give me a percentage on that. Cool

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Nevil Oscillator
#27 - 2015-02-09 15:29:26 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
40 miners out of 22,000+ people online at the moment? Someone give me a percentage on that. Cool



0.2%
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#28 - 2015-02-09 15:36:02 UTC
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
40 miners out of 22,000+ people online at the moment? Someone give me a percentage on that. Cool



0.2%

Alright, math buffs, calculate: If the chance to get ganked during 23 hours of mining is 0.2%, how many hours do you need to mine for the chance of a gank to approach 100% ?

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2015-02-09 15:43:02 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
40 miners out of 22,000+ people online at the moment? Someone give me a percentage on that. Cool



0.2%

Alright, math buffs, calculate: If the chance to get ganked during 23 hours of mining is 0.2%, how many hours do you need to mine for the chance of a gank to approach 100% ?


Lots.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2015-02-09 15:47:24 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
40 miners out of 22,000+ people online at the moment? Someone give me a percentage on that. Cool



0.2%

Alright, math buffs, calculate: If the chance to get ganked during 23 hours of mining is 0.2%, how many hours do you need to mine for the chance of a gank to approach 100% ?


0.2%

The result is not dependent on the outcome of the previous roll so chance stays the same.
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#31 - 2015-02-09 15:52:04 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
40 miners out of 22,000+ people online at the moment? Someone give me a percentage on that. Cool



0.2%

Alright, math buffs, calculate: If the chance to get ganked during 23 hours of mining is 0.2%, how many hours do you need to mine for the chance of a gank to approach 100% ?


0.2%

The result is not dependent on the outcome of the previous roll so chance stays the same.

But if you have a 0.2% chance to be ganked the first 23 hours and 0.2% chance for 2nd 23 hours, it's clearly greater than 0.2% chance to be ganked in the 46 hours
Thorn en Distel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2015-02-09 16:09:01 UTC
Dunno.... think I'll call troll here. Type in Retriever in zKillboard and you get several pages of highsec miner kills for just one day. Add Covetors, Hulks, Mackinaws, the odd yield Skiff or Procurer... I'd say miner ganking is alive and well. Though of course your mileage may vary, if you're lucky.
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2015-02-09 16:09:02 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
40 miners out of 22,000+ people online at the moment? Someone give me a percentage on that. Cool



0.2%

Alright, math buffs, calculate: If the chance to get ganked during 23 hours of mining is 0.2%, how many hours do you need to mine for the chance of a gank to approach 100% ?


0.2%

The result is not dependent on the outcome of the previous roll so chance stays the same.

But if you have a 0.2% chance to be ganked the first 23 hours and 0.2% chance for 2nd 23 hours, it's clearly greater than 0.2% chance to be ganked in the 46 hours



No because you can refit a ship and be back out in the belt in less than 15 minutes.
Celestia Via
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#34 - 2015-02-09 16:13:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Celestia Via
first of all, the chance was never 0.2, this is out of total people online. We would need the average of people mining in highsec.

If we assume this to be.. 1/10th? of all people online, chances climb to 2%. Even thats not correct, since its vague, (2% per what?)
Mining is an ongoing process in time, and therefore a Poisson distribution needs to be used to determine proper chance of being ganked (per day/hour/minute) while mining in highsec.

And yes, the Poisson dist. does have the "amnesia" property, meaning that, for example, not being ganked for the past year, or just having been ganked does not alter the chance to be ganked again in any way.

edit: to clarify on amnesia : If the Poisson distribution of chance says for example, that you have a 5% chance to be ganked each hour, its just that. Spending additional hours does not add to the chance. Another example is human lifespan, if each person has for eg. a 1% chance to die at any given time, someone who is already 110 years old still has the same chance (1%) to die at any given time.
It might seem logical for an old person to have increased chance, but its incorrect. Math is fun, eh? Lol

"We marched for days and nights, under sun, in the rain. Our minds and bodies ached for rest, but in our hearts there was nothing but the fight."
Valkin Mordirc
#35 - 2015-02-09 16:21:07 UTC
Thorn en Distel wrote:
Dunno.... think I'll call troll here. Type in Retriever in zKillboard and you get several pages of highsec miner kills for just one day. Add Covetors, Hulks, Mackinaws, the odd yield Skiff or Procurer... I'd say miner ganking is alive and well. Though of course your mileage may vary, if you're lucky.



Welcome to GD you'll see Nevil posting these crack filled mania inspired threads from time to time.
#DeleteTheWeak
Nevil Oscillator
#36 - 2015-02-09 16:35:55 UTC
Celestia Via wrote:


edit: to clarify on amnesia : If the Poisson distribution of chance says for example, that you have a 5% chance to be ganked each hour, its just that. Spending additional hours does not add to the chance. Another example is human lifespan, if each person has for eg. a 1% chance to die at any given time, someone who is already 110 years old still has the same chance (1%) to die at any given time.
It might seem logical for an old person to have increased chance, but its incorrect. Math is fun, eh? Lol


The maths is fine so long as you don't ignore relevant factors such as the chances of someone dying does change with age.

0.2% is an incorrect chance for a miner making it out of a high sec belt with a full cargo but I believe I was asked to make that calculation to give some direction as to where about that figure might be.. probably accurate within a decimal place or two.
Nevil Oscillator
#37 - 2015-02-09 16:40:32 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Thorn en Distel wrote:
Dunno.... think I'll call troll here. Type in Retriever in zKillboard and you get several pages of highsec miner kills for just one day. Add Covetors, Hulks, Mackinaws, the odd yield Skiff or Procurer... I'd say miner ganking is alive and well. Though of course your mileage may vary, if you're lucky.



Welcome to GD you'll see Nevil posting these crack filled mania inspired threads from time to time.



Welcome to the undercurrent of bleeting as the little billy goat cries troll
Thorn en Distel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2015-02-09 16:50:27 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Thorn en Distel wrote:
Dunno.... think I'll call troll here. Type in Retriever in zKillboard and you get several pages of highsec miner kills for just one day. Add Covetors, Hulks, Mackinaws, the odd yield Skiff or Procurer... I'd say miner ganking is alive and well. Though of course your mileage may vary, if you're lucky.



Welcome to GD you'll see Nevil posting these crack filled mania inspired threads from time to time.


I'm thinking there's more than one troll in this thread though. There's also the ones going 'sob sob highsec ganking is dead sob sob'... Twisted
Nevil Oscillator
#39 - 2015-02-09 16:55:41 UTC
Thorn en Distel wrote:


I'm thinking there's more than one troll in this thread though. There's also the ones going 'sob sob highsec ganking is dead sob sob'... Twisted



Yeah so am I, so if you're not posting about mining and pirates go post about trolls somewhere else
Sinigr Shadowsong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2015-02-09 17:00:17 UTC
Miners, listen to OP. Don't tank your ships, buy the best yield modules available. And put your favorite mining systems into your Bio, just in case.
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