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what is best L4's to run these days, and best ship to do it in?

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Anixia alexstrasa
Riemannian Manifold Torus
#1 - 2015-02-08 21:14:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Anixia alexstrasa
basically i am bored, am about to buy a new l4 runner, as we are somewhat locked down in null with reds.

was thinking of a drone boat for running, just because it is different and new,

what would be a great/best l4 mission runner?
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#2 - 2015-02-08 21:59:02 UTC
The domi is a great "cost effective" boat. however, "cost effective" is so plebeian.

I guess my answer somewhat depends on where you decide to run missions. the 3 highsec agents are in caldari/amarr/minmatar space, with the two in amarr/minmatar space being preferable. However for both I would suggest a Machariel. and given they are so cheap you might even want two, one AC, and one arty fit. Swapping fits is pretty easy, swapping ships is even easier. beyond that I like the paladin, although don't think it would be as useful in minmatar space, I would probably just fly a mach out there. might want a vargur, but I feel like the mach will just do better in most cases.

if you really want a drone boat, the rattlesnake can do some cool things, but I find the combination of missiles and drones to just be annoying.

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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-02-08 22:48:09 UTC
gila

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-02-08 23:32:36 UTC
SOE are the easy mode ISK makers.

Some drone boats:

Sentry Domi - easy semi-afk generic mission workhorse. Does a great job with just a T2 fit.
Gila - never tried one
Ishtar - handles level IVs well with advantage it can also rat those annoying anoms with gates banning battleships
Rattlesnake - on paper max DPS (up around 1800 with good skills) but in practice hard to fit and fly. Probably the best blitzer if you have the skills and are prepared for the workload.
Anixia alexstrasa
Riemannian Manifold Torus
#5 - 2015-02-09 00:12:18 UTC
so we have SOE as the money maker. Will a domi do these as quick as a machariel? with a gila back up?
Anixia alexstrasa
Riemannian Manifold Torus
#6 - 2015-02-09 00:13:59 UTC
basically cost is not even a factor, just want to try something new and make some isk or at least a chance at a cool drop, or some neat hard to come by faction lp stuff.

Anixia alexstrasa
Riemannian Manifold Torus
#7 - 2015-02-09 00:26:06 UTC
rattlesnake seems like it might be a fun ship to fly.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#8 - 2015-02-09 01:10:11 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Sentry Domi - easy semi-afk generic mission workhorse. Does a great job with just a T2 fit.
Gila - never tried one
Ishtar - handles level IVs well with advantage it can also rat those annoying anoms with gates banning battleships
Rattlesnake - on paper max DPS (up around 1800 with good skills) but in practice hard to fit and fly. Probably the best blitzer if you have the skills and are prepared for the workload.


The Dominix is great when it comes to T2-fit T2 sentry drones with MJD. The Rattlesnake will lose some potential DPS advantage due to limited highslots for missile launchers and Drone Link Augmenters (you'll want at least 100km drone control range if you're using MJD for range).

The Rattlesnake will get decently high DPS with a Gecko and torpedoes, but that ship will only be effective at very close range. It will be an exciting ride, until you have each mission figured out. After that you'll find yourself grumbling about the need to MWD into range, or the need to spend even more ISK on Javelin torpedoes.

The Ishtar can't use MJD, but the Eos can. You'll get better DPS out of a Dominix or Rattlesnake, but slower align/warp speed.

A better all-round mission boat is the Machariel. It's fast, agile, has a warp speed bonus so you waste less time moving around, and packs the best damage application of any mission-boat you will fly. It's not just about DPS, it's also about hitting enemy ships and doing the most possible damage to those ships per salvo.

I'm a very lazy mission-runner, so I have a mix of ships to use depending on how bored or distracted I'm feeling: CNR, Dominix, Rattlesnake.

YMMV.

In all cases, mission-running is slightly less boring than watching spiders building webs in my architraves.
GordonO
BURN EDEN
#9 - 2015-02-09 02:23:54 UTC
It also depends where you plan to go missioning. Marauders are by far the best at the moment. Mach is great for all but guristas space, then a reaven class or navy scorp will do well. Rail megathrons and vindi's do well also. If you going amarr, nothing beats the nightmare.. well except a marauder of course.
Turrets get through missions quicker. MJD's are pita. drone boats loose some time due to the time it takes for the drones to get to the target and if you use sentries you can't move. They still great fun though.. it all depends on where you going and your play style.... I ran lvl4's in assault frigs once for fun.. so yea.. everyone is going to give you different advice.

... What next ??

Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#10 - 2015-02-09 13:18:24 UTC
"I'm bored so I'm going to go run missions!"

Wrong plan mate.

Not today spaghetti.

Mobbel Ernaga
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-02-09 13:46:00 UTC
Anixia alexstrasa wrote:
rattlesnake seems like it might be a fun ship to fly.

Thought that, too. Glad I read your post so I remembered I bought one a while ago...in the end it turned out to be crap for most stuff now it's more than 25 jumps away and I won't bother with it in the future.

Dominix is the best sentry sniper due to the bonuses, if you try a Targetpainter instead of a third Omni, you won't regret it. But overall Marauder > All, as long as you stay in there "native" environment, Golem does a pretty good job everyhwere.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-02-09 13:48:30 UTC
TP sounds like a good idea on paper but in fact you just wait for it's cycle time far too much.

Third omni can be scripted to provide on demand stats and it's always active (though I wish it's cycle time was lower)
GordonO
BURN EDEN
#13 - 2015-02-09 18:23:39 UTC
Mobbel Ernaga wrote:
Anixia alexstrasa wrote:
rattlesnake seems like it might be a fun ship to fly.

Thought that, too. Glad I read your post so I remembered I bought one a while ago...in the end it turned out to be crap for most stuff now it's more than 25 jumps away and I won't bother with it in the future.

Dominix is the best sentry sniper due to the bonuses, if you try a Targetpainter instead of a third Omni, you won't regret it. But overall Marauder > All, as long as you stay in there "native" environment, Golem does a pretty good job everyhwere.



perhaps its the pilot\fit.. there is no way a domi is better than a RS..

... What next ??

Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#14 - 2015-02-09 20:45:00 UTC
In regards to the Rattlesnake, yes you can get almost 1800 dps; but that dps is almost evenly split between drones and missiles. So the actual damage application is slower in my opinion than a Macherial or Paladin. For best isk/hr, you can't go far wrong with the Macherial, Paladin, or Kronos.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#15 - 2015-02-09 21:32:34 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
TP sounds like a good idea on paper but in fact you just wait for it's cycle time far too much.

Third omni can be scripted to provide on demand stats and it's always active (though I wish it's cycle time was lower)

with the 5s cycle time on TPs they work a lot better now (used to be 10s) plus you can use a tp for aggro.

Estella Osoka wrote:
In regards to the Rattlesnake, yes you can get almost 1800 dps; but that dps is almost evenly split between drones and missiles. So the actual damage application is slower in my opinion than a Macherial or Paladin. For best isk/hr, you can't go far wrong with the Macherial, Paladin, or Kronos.

Blaster kronos is amazing to have for a few missions. I neglected to mention it earlier, but I did say something about it in another post somewhat recently. and you can swap to rails for long range, but large rails aren't the greatest.

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Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
#16 - 2015-02-10 13:15:07 UTC
In some missions I like to use a blaster vindicator. It takes some time to close up, but when you get there, everything just melt.
Danko1978
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-02-11 02:06:28 UTC
Rattlesnake is a great ship for missions you can have sentries and heavy drones, MWD for mobility, cruise missiles and target painters that help damage application for both weapon systems, and a great tank.
Yaro
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-02-11 17:39:10 UTC
Machariel is the best, if your skills are maxed out for it. With low skills Gila is the best.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#19 - 2015-02-11 20:29:34 UTC
Danko1978 wrote:
Rattlesnake is a great ship for missions you can have sentries and heavy drones, MWD for mobility, cruise missiles and target painters that help damage application for both weapon systems, and a great tank.


missiles, especially, without a speed bonus = delay on dps, plus if you slip up on counting you waste volleys.

drones are pretty decent, but I far prefer it when they are a bit of extra dps rather than a large portion.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2015-02-11 23:08:20 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Danko1978 wrote:
Rattlesnake is a great ship for missions you can have sentries and heavy drones, MWD for mobility, cruise missiles and target painters that help damage application for both weapon systems, and a great tank.


missiles, especially, without a speed bonus = delay on dps, plus if you slip up on counting you waste volleys.



With a Rattler its not such a big issue as in missile only ships. You can target the BS with missiles and small targets with sentries and then each time a BS is down near structure move the missiles to a new BS and finish the current one off with your sentries.

You end up with a high workload but it lets you actually apply all that DPS without really wasting any.
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