EVE General Discussion

They are unfortunately wrong. A Skiff makes you essentially immune to anyone messing with you in highsec. For haulers, there are similarly ship choices and tactics that give you the power to avoid being ganked.

The mechanics only favour the attacker in situations where you choose to forgo tank and/or staying at your keyboard. The whole point of Eve is balancing your income generation versus the risk an attacker will blow you up. You are not powerless at all when you make these choices as CCP has given you plenty of tools to protect yourself, and the NPC-enforced mechanics of highsec are heavily on your side.

Don't confuse the "never feel safe in New Eden" design of the game with an inability to protect yourself. You can make yourself nearly perfectly safe in highsec if you choose with only a little effort or sacrificing a little yield. Deciding when you need to do that to protect yourself from those that want to blow you up IS the game.

That's because it's so easy to prevent a gank that there's no reason to dispense justice for it. The miners feel powerless, not because the game balance is stacked against them but because they're not aware of the tools they can use to keep themselves safe in the first place.

A broad generalization that you have zero evidence to support.




Oh? Its false that people that are grouped together for the sole purpose of killing others and can dictate the time, the place, and the firepower don't have the upper hand in all situations?



No, what I'm pointing out is the lack of capability. Hunting down cowards that dock up at the first sign of trouble is not a fun thing or even a smart thing to do with your game time. There are no effective ways to dispense justice. Otherwise there would be someone out there doing so. CODE exists because they are able to. Given how much you guys argue about this game being a sandbox its telling that out of 500k subs that NO ONE wants to be a bounty hunter.

Only when the victim chooses to be anti-social and refuses to work with others.

Veers...with all due respect...what do you know of PvP. Your assumptions are based on the complaining and raging of those who failed to pay attention or take any level or personal responsibility and just want to point the finger. It's like saying that all flying in planes is dangerous because 1 in 10,000 crashes...which is usually do to human error in some regard. The ACTUAL number of active miners that get ganked in any given day are barely a dent on the total number of active players. You just have a bias to the ganked..so of course it seems like an "epidemic" to you. There is a level of personal responsibility each miner/hauler can take to prevent, or lessen, the chances of getting ganked. Repeated ganks you say...well yeah...would you keep walking down the same dark alley that you got mugged in previously..and if you did, would it surprize you if you got mugged again? The problem is laziness, complacency, and lack of knowledge prevent them from doing so. As long as miners and haulers continue to not be proactive, they will remain reactive..and complain about it. Eve is a sand box, not a theme park...and in a sand box other will throw sand in your eyes...

So back to victim blaming again?

Because web frigates aren't just as gankable as any other ship?




No, what I've spent this entire thread doing is rebuffing all the bs arguments that gankers always use for every thread that exists like this. It looks like you also have a very low bar for what you deem "crying". Though I suppose that's not very surprising given how you operate.



There is no scenario where anyone has the same economic impact on code through violence that code inflicts on others.



The only "fake" players are bots. And those get banned.



There's no way to hurt gankers that fund themselves through metagaming. Further to the point, at least code gets something out of it while someone trying to hurt, or stop codes gets almost nothing. Yeah their ships are "profitable" to gank, but again not enough to bother with. Opportunity costs exists. Providing neutral logi not only puts yourself at greater risk (you really think code won't try to put a stop that?) with ZERO rewards since its not like you get loot drops from saving a freighter.

Well given, that you've admitted that the bounty system is broken, you've admitted that there are no effective ways to dispense justice.

I sure hope you don't feel that way about real life crime.

What it does is tell me what I'm dealing with.

No, what it tells me is that you don't care to have a conversation on even terms.



The mechanics of video games are ALL driven by humans. Its why things change, aka some player finds something they can abuse and do so until told to stop or the game makes that activity impossible.