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Gila vs VNI
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Na'Has
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-02-07 16:16:45 UTC
Started an alt, so far over 1m so in drones. Drones 5 Meds 5 Lights 5and all supports to 4.
I will be training tank and fitting skills for the next week or two, and then looking to finally make some isks on the new toon doing l3/4s and c2/3s.

I am just wondering about which you guys think is better.
I could also train for a domni pretty fast but I don't have sentry interfacing yet.

Can the gila solo l4s still, I read it could wondering if it still holds up. Also not sure at all about the vni.

Thanks for the tips and safe flying,
Na'Has
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-02-07 16:27:04 UTC
gila is better but obviously much more skill intensive.

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Yaro
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-02-07 17:14:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Yaro
Na'Has wrote:
Started an alt, so far over 1m so in drones. Drones 5 Meds 5 Lights 5and all supports to 4.
I will be training tank and fitting skills for the next week or two, and then looking to finally make some isks on the new toon doing l3/4s and c2/3s.

I am just wondering about which you guys think is better.
I could also train for a domni pretty fast but I don't have sentry interfacing yet.

Can the gila solo l4s still, I read it could wondering if it still holds up. Also not sure at all about the vni.

Thanks for the tips and safe flying,
Na'Has


I said many times in many topics that Gila can do lvl4 missions and I have done all of them.

This is my fit:

3-x Drone Damage Amplifier II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Field
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field
T2 10mn afterburner.

4-x Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Light Missile - tbh you can use arbalest launchers.
Drone Link Augmentor II

3-x Medium Core Defense Field Purger II

'Augmented' Hammerhead x2

It's not skill intensive at all (I started doing lvl4 missions with only 2.8 mils SP or something like that), you don't need T2 launchers, you can use arbalests with missile skiils at lvl2 or lvl3, since damage done by launchers is nowhere near drone damage.

For drones I have drone interfacing at lvl4, T2 med drones with specialisation to lvl2. Light drones arent needed at all. You can use T2 meds for killing all NPCs. Also Gila has got a sick bonus to drone hit points and damage (t2 med drones has got more HP then T2 Heavy on any other ship (exept it's big brother Rattlesnake) with a sig radius and a speed of a medium drone. Another bonus of a Gila is +4% shield resistances and 6 !!! med slots, which Vexor doesn't have.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#4 - 2015-02-07 17:44:27 UTC
VNI will be a lot more interesting once you got heavies V. It's a fair bit of dps from that last level, and coupled with drone navs and durability enhancers, you got a good ride to run guristas/angel missions.
Na'Has
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-02-07 19:19:19 UTC
Thanks I was leaning towards the gila. I just have to get some shield skills and missiles to probably 4 and I'll be set. Thanks guys.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#6 - 2015-02-08 15:41:52 UTC
I would argue that the VNI is more skill intensive than the Gila. The Gila does require a wider variety of skills, but the VNI needs more intensive drone training because you need T2 Sentry and Heavy Drones, as well as T2 Medium and Light drones.

Having said that, I'd prefer a Gila for mission running because of it's huge passive shield tank and easier drone selection.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-02-08 15:55:56 UTC
don't need t2 sentries anymore, faction have same range and damage now and their only disadvantage is that they cost more and do potentially 10% less damage with drone spec 5 not applying to them.

Faction drones in general also have 5% better tracking and increased hp.

Not sure on exact math but I'm thinking faction sentries are probably better until you manage to get 2 or 3 in racial drone spec for t2.

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Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#8 - 2015-02-08 22:50:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Syrias Bizniz
Simple as f*ck:

Gila.

Why?
Cause it's drone damage is rolebonused. SHAZAM!
No need to get that Cruiser to V before you can start serious things, you will get a pretty DPS heavy fit after ~3 weeks of putting SP into a new toon.


Edit:

Here's a fit that would get along with All Skills to 0, fitting wise.
All Meta mods, except for DDAs, which should automatically get T2 while skilling.

[Gila, Gila fit]

Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I

Compact Light Missile Launcher, Inferno Light Missile
Compact Light Missile Launcher, Inferno Light Missile
Compact Light Missile Launcher, Inferno Light Missile
Compact Light Missile Launcher, Inferno Light Missile
[Empty High slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Federation Navy Hammerhead x2
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-02-08 22:58:25 UTC
What, gila and skill intensive?

That ship is epic with hammerhead 1s, all real boni come via the role and not the ship skill, you basicely need medium drones (for t2) and the ability to fit shields, after that t1 missile launchers and dcus and you are good to go.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-02-08 23:44:46 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
boni


can we stop, this is not a word.

Also yeah you can run a gila with cruiser 1 and t1 hammerheads but you're barely going to be able to do level 3 missions with it.

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W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-02-09 00:31:51 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
boni


can we stop, this is not a word.

Also yeah you can run a gila with cruiser 1 and t1 hammerheads but you're barely going to be able to do level 3 missions with it.


It is though.

Also, you probably can, gilas pack a mean passive tank even with cruiser at 3, combined with good dps.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-02-09 00:36:10 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
boni


can we stop, this is not a word.

Also yeah you can run a gila with cruiser 1 and t1 hammerheads but you're barely going to be able to do level 3 missions with it.


It is though.

Also, you probably can, gilas pack a mean passive tank even with cruiser at 3, combined with good dps.


Find me any English dictionary definition of it please.

And yeah at cruiser 3 with the proper supports it will have a decent tank but not enough for most level 4s.

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Yaro
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-02-09 01:01:12 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
boni


can we stop, this is not a word.

Also yeah you can run a gila with cruiser 1 and t1 hammerheads but you're barely going to be able to do level 3 missions with it.


It is though.

Also, you probably can, gilas pack a mean passive tank even with cruiser at 3, combined with good dps.


Find me any English dictionary definition of it please.

And yeah at cruiser 3 with the proper supports it will have a decent tank but not enough for most level 4s.


If you saying so, then it means you never done lvl4 with Gila !
GordonO
BURN EDEN
#14 - 2015-02-09 02:31:43 UTC
Yaro wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
boni


can we stop, this is not a word.

Also yeah you can run a gila with cruiser 1 and t1 hammerheads but you're barely going to be able to do level 3 missions with it.


It is though.

Also, you probably can, gilas pack a mean passive tank even with cruiser at 3, combined with good dps.


Find me any English dictionary definition of it please.

And yeah at cruiser 3 with the proper supports it will have a decent tank but not enough for most level 4s.


If you saying so, then it means you never done lvl4 with Gila !

You can do lvl4's in an assault frig.. so can do is not the same and comfortably\easily\safely do.

Gila is best. . you can use lows for damage and not tank..

... What next ??
Na'Has
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-02-13 00:31:08 UTC
Yaro wrote:
Na'Has wrote:
Started an alt, so far over 1m so in drones. Drones 5 Meds 5 Lights 5and all supports to 4.
I will be training tank and fitting skills for the next week or two, and then looking to finally make some isks on the new toon doing l3/4s and c2/3s.

I am just wondering about which you guys think is better.
I could also train for a domni pretty fast but I don't have sentry interfacing yet.

Can the gila solo l4s still, I read it could wondering if it still holds up. Also not sure at all about the vni.

Thanks for the tips and safe flying,
Na'Has


I said many times in many topics that Gila can do lvl4 missions and I have done all of them.

This is my fit:

3-x Drone Damage Amplifier II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Field
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field
T2 10mn afterburner.

4-x Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Light Missile - tbh you can use arbalest launchers.
Drone Link Augmentor II

3-x Medium Core Defense Field Purger II

'Augmented' Hammerhead x2

It's not skill intensive at all (I started doing lvl4 missions with only 2.8 mils SP or something like that), you don't need T2 launchers, you can use arbalests with missile skiils at lvl2 or lvl3, since damage done by launchers is nowhere near drone damage.

For drones I have drone interfacing at lvl4, T2 med drones with specialisation to lvl2. Light drones arent needed at all. You can use T2 meds for killing all NPCs. Also Gila has got a sick bonus to drone hit points and damage (t2 med drones has got more HP then T2 Heavy on any other ship (exept it's big brother Rattlesnake) with a sig radius and a speed of a medium drone. Another bonus of a Gila is +4% shield resistances and 6 !!! med slots, which Vexor doesn't have.


Using a fit similar to this, I dropped the ab'er and added an adaptive invuln 2, and dropped a second thermic for a 3rd extender. I have 2 variations one for low sec with 2 extender 1 purger rig, and one hi sec with 3 purgers.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#16 - 2015-02-13 14:35:50 UTC
Gila > VNI.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY