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Davey Talvanen
Kingsparrow Wormhole Division
Birds of Prey.
#1 - 2015-02-07 19:01:01 UTC
I've currently been ratting in my carcal:

[Caracal, Missile Mayhem]

Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System I

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile x1800

but would like to move to a better PvE ship, I'm looking at a drake for now and maybe a cerberus in the future (still need to train for it).

A drake fit I theory crafted one night is :

[Drake, PvE]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Imperial Navy Acolyte x5

And a theory crafted cerberus is this :

[Cerberus, PvE cerberus]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Reactor Control Unit I

Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Imperial Navy Acolyte x3

I'd just like some help on how to improve these fits and wether they are good trains (can fly the drake but need to train for HACs)
Tung Yoggi
University of Caille
#2 - 2015-02-07 22:16:24 UTC
Your fits are alright, however you need to think about putting a propulsion mod on your ships, AB to reduce incoming DPS or mwd to quickly move around.

Now, about what to train next. In your place, I would not go towards the drake, since it does not lead to a lot of pvp ships or "advanced pve" ships.

If i were you, I'll max the cerberus. Getting HAC to a reasonable level will allow you, after training hybrid, to fit in your alliance's eagle comp. Furthermore, you will be able to train for a tengu which allows you to run some complexes when properly fit.

So, start working on T2 missiles, T2 drones, and in a few months you will have very good skills, and you might start thinking about training another race, or training toward battleships. Gallente comes to mind as a second race, with drones and hybrids in mind.
Davey Talvanen
Kingsparrow Wormhole Division
Birds of Prey.
#3 - 2015-02-08 12:24:45 UTC
Tung Yoggi wrote:
Your fits are alright, however you need to think about putting a propulsion mod on your ships, AB to reduce incoming DPS or mwd to quickly move around.

Now, about what to train next. In your place, I would not go towards the drake, since it does not lead to a lot of pvp ships or "advanced pve" ships.

If i were you, I'll max the cerberus. Getting HAC to a reasonable level will allow you, after training hybrid, to fit in your alliance's eagle comp. Furthermore, you will be able to train for a tengu which allows you to run some complexes when properly fit.

So, start working on T2 missiles, T2 drones, and in a few months you will have very good skills, and you might start thinking about training another race, or training toward battleships. Gallente comes to mind as a second race, with drones and hybrids in mind.




HACs would take a couple of weeks and I already have caldari battlecruiser, I also have gallente cruiser to 3 and all other races frig and everone but minnies dessies. I am looking at the drake for now (but not long term) and will fit a prop mod (thx for reminding me ) but I'll get T2 missiles drones ect working in the near future (need to get my intie and AF stuff up first).

A revised drake fit:

[Drake, PvE]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Imperial Navy Acolyte x5
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-02-08 13:35:07 UTC
[Drake, pve]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

EM Ward Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

That fit is in every way superior to yours, also don't use navy lights they're far too easy to kill and expensive to replace. T2 lights are easy to train for you should shoot for those.

Art of Explosions
Davey Talvanen
Kingsparrow Wormhole Division
Birds of Prey.
#5 - 2015-02-08 13:55:41 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
[Drake, pve]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

EM Ward Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

That fit is in every way superior to yours, also don't use navy lights they're far too easy to kill and expensive to replace. T2 lights are easy to train for you should shoot for those.


But yours is omni-tanked and I only get sansha rats so the 2 adaptives are useless, another EM or thermal will help. Also my fit is passive regen based but yours seems to work better in EFT and give me better rsists (with a bit of tweaking

Version 3 :

[Drake, PvE]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
EM Ward Field I
Thermic Dissipation Field I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Imperial Navy Acolyte x5
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-02-08 14:35:39 UTC
well you never said anything about sansha rats so I just made an omni one.

Replace the 2 adaptives with em/thermal and you get a sansha ship

Art of Explosions
Davey Talvanen
Kingsparrow Wormhole Division
Birds of Prey.
#7 - 2015-02-08 14:54:20 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
well you never said anything about sansha rats so I just made an omni one.

Replace the 2 adaptives with em/thermal and you get a sansha ship


so like my fit I posted (I modded it for sansha)
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-02-08 15:52:17 UTC
Davey Talvanen wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
well you never said anything about sansha rats so I just made an omni one.

Replace the 2 adaptives with em/thermal and you get a sansha ship


so like my fit I posted (I modded it for sansha)


pretty much yeah, you might find cap a problem with 3 active hardeners with lower skills though.

Art of Explosions
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2015-02-08 16:00:35 UTC
Davey Talvanen wrote:

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile


I assume you're trying to keep it as cheap as possible?
Davey Talvanen
Kingsparrow Wormhole Division
Birds of Prey.
#10 - 2015-02-08 16:38:47 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Davey Talvanen wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
well you never said anything about sansha rats so I just made an omni one.

Replace the 2 adaptives with em/thermal and you get a sansha ship


so like my fit I posted (I modded it for sansha)


pretty much yeah, you might find cap a problem with 3 active hardeners with lower skills though.


Nah, I'm 29 mins of cap (enough for a site).
Davey Talvanen
Kingsparrow Wormhole Division
Birds of Prey.
#11 - 2015-02-08 16:40:01 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Davey Talvanen wrote:

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile


I assume you're trying to keep it as cheap as possible?


No, skills are the problem
Davey Talvanen
Kingsparrow Wormhole Division
Birds of Prey.
#12 - 2015-02-08 16:41:23 UTC
Would a sniping naga work for a sansha null sit?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-02-08 16:44:43 UTC
Davey Talvanen wrote:
Would a sniping naga work for a sansha null sit?


if you can stay out of range for TDs yeah.

Art of Explosions
Davey Talvanen
Kingsparrow Wormhole Division
Birds of Prey.
#14 - 2015-02-08 17:37:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Davey Talvanen
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Davey Talvanen wrote:
Would a sniping naga work for a sansha null sit?


if you can stay out of range for TDs yeah.


50-100k range be enough and at that range is an MWD okf or sig bloom