EVE General Discussion

It's still a sandbox, just because someone wont play by -your- rules, doesn't mean they can't enjoy play by their rules. Or are you suggesting the sandbox is just for you to play in by your rules? Some people just like to play mostly "pve" and mix it up by going pvp'ing sometimes, or like the threat of someone who can come by anytime and just kill them.

Calling someone carebears because they dont play by your rules seems a bit hypocritical ;)

Being a Carebear is an attitude, not a playstyle.

People who solely PvE but realise that others will see them as content and plan accordingly aren't carebears, they're merely bears, nor are the people who mix PvE with a little PvP, or enjoy the risk of others being able to do a drive-by shooting.

Those that whine when their ship explodes because they neglected to be at the keyboard, failed to fit the damn thing, crammed all their stuff into poorly fit haulers and blindly sailed into Uedama and the inevitable happens etc. Those that feel CCP should protect them from the ebil piwates because they can't be bothered to use the available resources, tools and mechanics that allow them to do it for themselves. In short those that believe that hisec should be a PvE only area; they are carebears.

You'd be surprised, the thought behind it is quite common. Most of the hisec criminal and PvP community probably think along similar lines.

What you see in some responses is frustration with the abuse, demonisation and constant call for nerfs, when the tools and mechanics needed to stop them are already available as is advice on how to use them. They willingly offer their Kryptonite up for the asking and in return get ignored

Pretty much all the advice they offer is sound, they know what it takes to counter them, they hope someone actually takes that advice, it makes for better content for both parties.

Totally agreed, some people do have a very myopic view of Eve, and the sandbox is better with a wider variety of players, as long as they're willing to accept that it is actually a sandbox, and a brutal one where an explosion can happen at any time, for any or no reason. You see the same types of discussion taking place in forums for other PvP sandbox type games.

Neither requires people to be a carebear, as I said it's an attitude not a playstyle.

Once again agreed, thankfully Eve is neither, despite the propaganda from both sides of that coin.

I can't say I disagree with the concept, it's merely expanding on the social groups and channels that already exist in some of the NPC corps, The Scope and Centre for Advanced Studies both have them, and social corps will enable them to have their own identity and more visibility, as well as access to tools they don't currently have, like corp hangars in stations.

However, I feel that there should be restrictions, ignoring the obvious regarding corporate structures in space, when compared to a full corp. For example a minimum tax rate set by CCP of around 5%, with the minimum tax rate being paid to the DED/Concord as part of their built in no wardec mechanic, the remainder going to the corp wallet.

As social corps would effectively be half NPC and half player corp I think that they may be a more suitable place than player run corps for the intracorp PvP switch that CCP have been talking about, they're the ideal place for those that don't fancy getting awoxed and provide a safeish place for new players to find their feet without being lost in an NPC corp.

If CCP are going to introduce new mechanics and social structures then they should be trying to do so in such a way that they can be used to create as well as remove conflict and content, even if it is in unintended ways.

Social corps are a thing of the past. Since we're all anti-social the thing never left the drawing board.

heh, agreed.

but you don't mention the very reason why people are called carebears. It's because by insulting others who don't / won't / can't fight back is deemed to be a sign of self importance and superiority. It's merely just another tool for a tool. They think only worthy people are people who fight.

Hyperbolic horse-****. None of those things are statements that appear anywhere in the documentation or the main eve-online web page. Instead the descriptions all say "you can ...." Nothing says "you have to ......".
Whiney-ass gank-bears who hated being forced to PVE for sec status want to complain about what "everyone else" is doing "why won't they play the way I tell them to!!! Mommy!!!!" Go do your whining about war-dec mechanics somewhere that involves war-decs, this is about "social corps".
BTW - if all the people you are complaining about actually followed your advice, you'd have no targets and would then complain about it being "dead". Why can't you just be happy with what you have and stop turning everything into a complaint about "the world is ending, they're nerfing my play-style!!!"

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Also specific trailers for expansions about being the badguy (ie trying to attract those types of new players)

I know this is hard to grasp cuz ccp has catered and advertised to miners and wow players in the past few years, yet this game is 10yrs old. It used to advertise to attact those aasholes you hate.

Aren't these called NPC corps?

ps. wardec limits. 5 per corp/alliance.

By this standard it can be done now. Without any CCP mandates. That is the right way. Create a chat channel and go for it. Ya know, create content not have CCP do it for you. There are plenty of other games if that is what you prefer.

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