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Cicadian Seekers protection act
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Angel Bram
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-02-07 21:15:41 UTC
Proposing the legal protection of Cicadian Seekers in Matar space.

Unlike the Amarr, the seekers should have at least a minimum of rights while in Matar space. I do understand it is unlikely that full protections would be extended and enforced by Concord, however I would at least like to defend them without Concord's interference while they themselves have been acting within Concord and Matar law within Matar space. For this a suspect tag would be enough.

So, you attack a Cicadian Seeker while in Matar space, I would like to attack you and not have Concord save your sorry ass.

Thank You
Iain Cariaba
#2 - 2015-02-07 21:26:02 UTC
Um, dude... do you even know what sleepers are and their backstory? Going by your suggestion here, I'm guessing no. You suggesting protection for what is essentially highly advanced drones, not actual people.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#3 - 2015-02-07 21:26:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
lol Lore wise if they are working for "The Other" your better off getting this passed in amarr space

Iain Cariaba wrote:
Um, dude... do you even know what sleepers are and their backstory? Going by your suggestion here, I'm guessing no. You suggesting protection for what is essentially highly advanced drones, not actual people.


+ this not to mention potentially much much dangerous than rogue drones once they decide to free fire one anything the see


they pod ppl FFS

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Angel Bram
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-02-07 21:39:10 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Um, dude... do you even know what sleepers are and their backstory? Going by your suggestion here, I'm guessing no. You suggesting protection for what is essentially highly advanced drones, not actual people.


Even Amarr might be welcome in Matar space if they could only behave. So yes, even if just a machine, if it obeys the law while in our space it should be unmolested.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#5 - 2015-02-07 21:49:40 UTC
Iain Cariaba
#6 - 2015-02-07 21:53:15 UTC
Angel Bram wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Um, dude... do you even know what sleepers are and their backstory? Going by your suggestion here, I'm guessing no. You suggesting protection for what is essentially highly advanced drones, not actual people.


Even Amarr might be welcome in Matar space if they could only behave. So yes, even if just a machine, if it obeys the law while in our space it should be unmolested.

Go into any wormhole, warp to one of the anomalies there, and see what those seekers are a prelude to.
Angel Bram
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2015-02-07 22:03:16 UTC
I don't have to go to WH space to get attacked. I can just fly too close to most any POS in high sec.

Get to close to someone else's base... pretty straight forward.

To me, since these machines appear to be obeying the law, what I am most objecting too is the protection to those that attack them.

A suspect tag is enough.

Rajeet Achmar
Rajeet Achmar Corporation
#8 - 2015-02-07 22:06:44 UTC
Sleepers are not drones, they control drones, but they themselves are not drones. They are called sleepers because they choose to live in a VR world.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#9 - 2015-02-07 22:07:22 UTC
Angel Bram wrote:
I don't have to go to WH space to get attacked. I can just fly too close to most any POS in high sec.

Get to close to someone else's base... pretty straight forward.

To me, since these machines appear to be obeying the law, what I am most objecting too is the protection to those that attack them.

A suspect tag is enough.



but since they are nonhuman they are not protected by the law

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Angel Bram
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-02-07 22:20:32 UTC
This would extend the same rights to a machine as any wreck or shipping container.

I would like the opportunity to use my guns to object to their treatment.

You will have all rights to return fire as always.
Iain Cariaba
#11 - 2015-02-07 22:24:35 UTC
Angel Bram wrote:
This would extend the same rights to a machine as any wreck or shipping container.

I would like the opportunity to use my guns to object to their treatment.

You will have all rights to return fire as always.

Find out who is doing something you don't like, leave NPC corp, wardec those being naughty in your opinion, shoot them without having to worry about concord.

Tools already exist for what you want, suggest you use them.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#12 - 2015-02-07 22:26:13 UTC
Angel Bram wrote:
This would extend the same rights to a machine as any wreck or shipping container.



those things don't pose a threat to new Eden

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Angel Bram
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-02-07 22:55:43 UTC
Most everything is a threat, space is a very dangerous place.
Yet, so far these machines have obeyed the law.
Since wardecking is very impractical, maybe logi support would be a place to start.
Likely I would draw the suspect tag, but if I were engaged I could return fire.
See if that works...

If not, maybe just assemble lots of destroyers and gank.
Fees like most everyone here seems ok with that.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#14 - 2015-02-07 23:01:46 UTC
Angel Bram wrote:
Most everything is a threat, space is a very dangerous place.
Yet, so far these machines have obeyed the law.
Since wardecking is very impractical, maybe logi support would be a place to start.
Likely I would draw the suspect tag, but if I were engaged I could return fire.
See if that works...

If not, maybe just assemble lots of destroyers and gank.
Fees like most everyone here seems ok with that.



you can not use remote rep on a hostile NPC (idk if you can use it on any npc)

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#15 - 2015-02-08 00:05:04 UTC
hehe... I can just imagine the "drones are people too" arguments.

Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.

Support better localization for the Japanese Community.
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#16 - 2015-02-08 00:05:50 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Angel Bram wrote:
Most everything is a threat, space is a very dangerous place.
Yet, so far these machines have obeyed the law.
Since wardecking is very impractical, maybe logi support would be a place to start.
Likely I would draw the suspect tag, but if I were engaged I could return fire.
See if that works...

If not, maybe just assemble lots of destroyers and gank.
Fees like most everyone here seems ok with that.



you can not use remote rep on a hostile NPC (idk if you can use it on any npc)


You can remote rep a hostile NPC.

Just look for CONCORD to pop you when you do, however.

Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.

Support better localization for the Japanese Community.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#17 - 2015-02-08 00:49:43 UTC
Petrified wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Angel Bram wrote:
Most everything is a threat, space is a very dangerous place.
Yet, so far these machines have obeyed the law.
Since wardecking is very impractical, maybe logi support would be a place to start.
Likely I would draw the suspect tag, but if I were engaged I could return fire.
See if that works...

If not, maybe just assemble lots of destroyers and gank.
Fees like most everyone here seems ok with that.



you can not use remote rep on a hostile NPC (idk if you can use it on any npc)


You can remote rep a hostile NPC.

Just look for CONCORD to pop you when you do, however.


just went out and tried again safety off and everything RR captrans remote sebos none of them will activate

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Alena McJenkins
McJenkins' Saucy Shipwreckers LLC
#18 - 2015-02-08 00:53:01 UTC
What? No. That's silly.

Sauce.
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#19 - 2015-02-08 04:55:32 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Petrified wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Angel Bram wrote:
Most everything is a threat, space is a very dangerous place.
Yet, so far these machines have obeyed the law.
Since wardecking is very impractical, maybe logi support would be a place to start.
Likely I would draw the suspect tag, but if I were engaged I could return fire.
See if that works...

If not, maybe just assemble lots of destroyers and gank.
Fees like most everyone here seems ok with that.



you can not use remote rep on a hostile NPC (idk if you can use it on any npc)


You can remote rep a hostile NPC.

Just look for CONCORD to pop you when you do, however.


just went out and tried again safety off and everything RR captrans remote sebos none of them will activate


Interesting. Wonder if that is true for NPC rats as well... years ago I lost a Hulk because instead of launching hobs against the rats in the belt I accidentally launched armor repair drones. CONCORD didn't like that and blew up my Hulk.

Maybe they changed the code for this along the way?

Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.

Support better localization for the Japanese Community.
Angel Bram
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2015-02-13 21:56:44 UTC
Sorry, took a while to test using remote repair. Things are shy and tend to warp off when you get close.
Remote repair will not actuate and you get a pop-up stating interferance being the problem.

So. I still desire the suspect tag for attacking Seekers and it seems fair to put a suspect tag for repairing also the ability to remote repair Seekers should be added.

Again, I am only proposing this for Matar space.
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