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Medium Drones damage application on Frigates.

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Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
#21 - 2015-02-05 21:39:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Oreb Wing
Phaade wrote:
ValentinaDLM wrote:
mmm, these are very tasty tears that remind me so much of a time when Hurricanes and Rifters were found everywhere.

I don't think drone are OP. If you look at my Killboard it is clear I do use them, but I also use every other weapon system too because they are all good. Maybe not at every role, but they are all good.


They are mostly good depending on situations, but drones are almost always great AND offer immense versatility with immunity to all ewar and zero fitting or cap costs.


Bro... You can jamm drones..

they also require bandwidth as fitting, which is considered in the balance of the rest of the ship.
Arla Sarain
#22 - 2015-02-06 12:54:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Arla Sarain
Jam all the drones


using your 12 midslot ship.

You don't think it's odd to use bandwidth as a balancing mechanic when bandwidth is only a measure of how many drones can be used and nothing else?

I mean, you brick tank drone ships as your CPU/PG permits, then bandwidth gives you extra leeway and allows you to put stuff that deals damage practically free of charge. (c) Triple tanking Tristans.

Or fit utility into what is essentially 2-4 utility highs (c) Every Drone ship that just goes with neuts instead of guns.

Or fit oversized modules without thinking too hard about ta... Actually you fit oversized modules and decent tank to boot. (c) 100MN Ishtars.

To further the notion of how missile ships are just for hipsters that refuse to use drones, consider than warriors will go 12km/s (c) drone speed fit nano algos.


Bandwidth and how it's used as a balance mechanic to keep drone ships in check looks like its failing mad. If you insist on insulting someones' capability to bring the "right ship for the right situation", as in bring a similar thing but with better modules, please use something that does not contain "Butthurt" as it is so overly predictable by now.

The whole destructible drones gimmick is failing as well, in cases other than ECM/EWAR drones which have no tank whatsoever. Admittedly I have no clue how easy it is to destroy drones for cruisers, but on frigate level, light drones with their 25m sig radius and almost flawless 600m/s orbit at point blank makes them as hard to hit as when firing Void Neutrons at linked halo slashers - who cares if they have sub 1k EHP when the TTK is still half the time it'd take you to kill the actual bloody ship.

You can't speed tank them unless you simply outrun them - has been demonstrated on the previous page where it was shown that moving away from them is actually worse than standing still. Which is contradictory to the strategy you would take against the actual ship that launched them. Is it not obvious that in this case, drone ships have all flanks covered?
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#23 - 2015-02-06 17:04:02 UTC
That is some grade A Caldari centric why ain't my missile supreme anymore and frog drones are better whaaaa whinage right there.

And you even dared to pretend that only drone boats can afford to fit multiple active repping modules, or oversized afterburners.

Great thread \m/ O_o \m/

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Arla Sarain
#24 - 2015-02-06 17:48:54 UTC
Deacon Abox wrote:
That is some grade A Caldari centric why ain't my missile supreme anymore and frog drones are better whaaaa whinage right there.

Are we taking turns? Does CCP just roll a dice or something?

Why is it Caldari centric? I'm not RP. Is it because I mentioned missiles? Should I mention turrets lel?
Deacon Abox wrote:
And you even dared to pretend that only drone boats can afford to fit multiple active repping modules, or oversized afterburners.

Great thread \m/ O_o \m/

I haven't mentioned a thing about reppers.

I only dared to mention the complete lack of needing half a thousand PG to fit guns allowing effortless cramming of oversized ABs and tank.

Must be some grade A drone bias bullocks in the air messing with your interpretation.
Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
#25 - 2015-02-06 17:57:17 UTC
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=27174717

Bring mwd, long point, pin target down and make drones stop-n-chase

Use your web, kill drones

Not rocket science
Nalia White
Tencus
#26 - 2015-02-07 20:51:39 UTC
Oreb Wing wrote:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=27174717

Bring mwd, long point, pin target down and make drones stop-n-chase

Use your web, kill drones

Not rocket science


this just shows how to kill a drone boat with 3 times the numbers though Roll

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Phaade
LowKey Ops
Shadow Cartel
#27 - 2015-02-07 20:54:14 UTC
Deacon Abox wrote:
That is some grade A Caldari centric why ain't my missile supreme anymore and frog drones are better whaaaa whinage right there.

And you even dared to pretend that only drone boats can afford to fit multiple active repping modules, or oversized afterburners.

Great thread \m/ O_o \m/


If you don't see the merit of the points brought up by that post.....God help you.

I certainly can't.

Also, please explain heavy missiles to me.
Phaade
LowKey Ops
Shadow Cartel
#28 - 2015-02-07 20:55:01 UTC
Arla Sarain wrote:
Deacon Abox wrote:
That is some grade A Caldari centric why ain't my missile supreme anymore and frog drones are better whaaaa whinage right there.

Are we taking turns? Does CCP just roll a dice or something?

Why is it Caldari centric? I'm not RP. Is it because I mentioned missiles? Should I mention turrets lel?
Deacon Abox wrote:
And you even dared to pretend that only drone boats can afford to fit multiple active repping modules, or oversized afterburners.

Great thread \m/ O_o \m/

I haven't mentioned a thing about reppers.

I only dared to mention the complete lack of needing half a thousand PG to fit guns allowing effortless cramming of oversized ABs and tank.

Must be some grade A drone bias bullocks in the air messing with your interpretation.


He's either a troll, or really, really stupid...

I'll add that he is a frog. Self serving agenda at it's finest.
Phaade
LowKey Ops
Shadow Cartel
#29 - 2015-02-07 20:56:45 UTC
Oreb Wing wrote:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=27174717

Bring mwd, long point, pin target down and make drones stop-n-chase

Use your web, kill drones

Not rocket science


...you killed a worm with 2 comets and an incursus....

and then you come to the forums and try to use that an example for how drones are balanced.....

What?

You realize you brought 7 drones of your own to the fight?

Good Lord.
Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
#30 - 2015-02-07 23:38:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Oreb Wing
1)We killed a great fitted and piloted Worm without any losses. 2)Our ships together don't equal the cost of that Worm. 3)shut up, you weren't there. I pulled initial point on him and solo'd his drones. The rest pretty much whored, with the blaster Comet nearly dying to the rocket fire. On top of that, it is not my only Worm kill, just the most recent. List another frig that does close combat rails better than a Comet to fight this way. gtfo

::edit:: I don't mean to downplay the help of my brothers. Das did not have anything near small enough to fit in the novice, so he fit an Incursus up as fast as he could and managed to come in while I was working on the last 2 hob's. I was 7% structure on a buffer armor fit, and Grahmm would have lost his Comet were it not for the Incursus deeps, even though he lost it later to another Worm pilot 20min later who abandoned augmented hob's as we landed (cynabal, rax). I was gonna contract them over, but I later lost them in the cargo on a scattered messy warp-in. You should not down-play how effective Worm's are now. That is a legit kill won by skill, not a bum rush kill - Worm's are too tanky for that. It was a 5 minute engagement easy.
Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
#31 - 2015-02-07 23:45:42 UTC
Instead of whining, go make a fit and solve your qq about drones. If I can kill them when they are OP on a Worm, you think you can't do the same on the Tristan sans the drone EHP bonus?
Pestilen Ratte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2015-02-08 11:30:39 UTC
Oreb Wing wrote:
1)We killed a great fitted and piloted Worm without any losses. 2)Our ships together don't equal the cost of that Worm. 3)shut up, you weren't there. I pulled initial point on him and solo'd his drones. The rest pretty much whored, with the blaster Comet nearly dying to the rocket fire.


Lol

I love Eve.

This is totally legitimate. Faction ships with high skilled pilots who lose to tech 1 or navy ships can't complain about being outnumbered by a small gang that costs less than the pimp fit shiny.

Navy drone pilots are the salt of the earth in New Eden. Everyone knows it, fools debate it.
Phaade
LowKey Ops
Shadow Cartel
#33 - 2015-02-09 07:08:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Phaade
Oreb Wing wrote:
Phaade wrote:
ValentinaDLM wrote:
mmm, these are very tasty tears that remind me so much of a time when Hurricanes and Rifters were found everywhere.

I don't think drone are OP. If you look at my Killboard it is clear I do use them, but I also use every other weapon system too because they are all good. Maybe not at every role, but they are all good.


They are mostly good depending on situations, but drones are almost always great AND offer immense versatility with immunity to all ewar and zero fitting or cap costs.


Bro... You can jamm drones..

they also require bandwidth as fitting, which is considered in the balance of the rest of the ship.



... That's why the Ishtar has 375 bandwidth and a bunch of high slots.

GOT IT.


By that logic my Merlin should have 6 turrets, my Eagle should have 12.
Phaade
LowKey Ops
Shadow Cartel
#34 - 2015-02-09 07:12:57 UTC
Oreb Wing wrote:
1)We killed a great fitted and piloted Worm without any losses. 2)Our ships together don't equal the cost of that Worm. 3)shut up, you weren't there. I pulled initial point on him and solo'd his drones. The rest pretty much whored, with the blaster Comet nearly dying to the rocket fire. On top of that, it is not my only Worm kill, just the most recent. List another frig that does close combat rails better than a Comet to fight this way. gtfo

::edit:: I don't mean to downplay the help of my brothers. Das did not have anything near small enough to fit in the novice, so he fit an Incursus up as fast as he could and managed to come in while I was working on the last 2 hob's. I was 7% structure on a buffer armor fit, and Grahmm would have lost his Comet were it not for the Incursus deeps, even though he lost it later to another Worm pilot 20min later who abandoned augmented hob's as we landed (cynabal, rax). I was gonna contract them over, but I later lost them in the cargo on a scattered messy warp-in. You should not down-play how effective Worm's are now. That is a legit kill won by skill, not a bum rush kill - Worm's are too tanky for that. It was a 5 minute engagement easy.



You were in the most powerful sub pirate faction frig that coincidentally fields almost a full flight of drones.... And were able to kill a couple of drones in a situation in which you had a massive advantage.

Congradufuckinglations.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#35 - 2015-02-09 07:29:45 UTC
Oreb Wing wrote:
1)We killed a great fitted and piloted Worm without any losses. 2)Our ships together don't equal the cost of that Worm. 3)shut up, you weren't there. I pulled initial point on him and solo'd his drones. The rest pretty much whored, with the blaster Comet nearly dying to the rocket fire. On top of that, it is not my only Worm kill, just the most recent. List another frig that does close combat rails better than a Comet to fight this way. gtfo

::edit:: I don't mean to downplay the help of my brothers. Das did not have anything near small enough to fit in the novice, so he fit an Incursus up as fast as he could and managed to come in while I was working on the last 2 hob's. I was 7% structure on a buffer armor fit, and Grahmm would have lost his Comet were it not for the Incursus deeps, even though he lost it later to another Worm pilot 20min later who abandoned augmented hob's as we landed (cynabal, rax). I was gonna contract them over, but I later lost them in the cargo on a scattered messy warp-in. You should not down-play how effective Worm's are now. That is a legit kill won by skill, not a bum rush kill - Worm's are too tanky for that. It was a 5 minute engagement easy.


so you say that if i fit domination warp scrambler to my ibis you bring 5 comets and say it is fair balanced fight?
Arla Sarain
#36 - 2015-02-09 08:40:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Arla Sarain
Worm was brawl fit and got rekt by a kite fit?
Am I seeing this wrong?
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2015-02-09 10:40:37 UTC
Phaade wrote:



You were in the most powerful sub pirate faction frig that coincidentally fields almost a full flight of drones.



well that really is up for debate
Esnaelc Sin'led
Lonesome Capsuleer
#38 - 2015-02-09 11:03:22 UTC
Kite worms, best worms.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#39 - 2015-02-09 15:43:33 UTC
My understanding was that they rebalanced the drones such that - all things being equal (no target painters, webs, etc...) a given size drone applies more damage to its own size targets than other types.
Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
#40 - 2015-02-09 15:44:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Oreb Wing
I've said in another thread that the Ishtar needs a full heavy flight bay reduction.

The same as when you fight sn Ishtar you fight the Worm. You figure out what they are fielding and what their prop is. A mwd worm will obviously have a smaller tank and possibly no highs. Thank goodness for geno's that make predictions a failure. That being said, it was a blind engagement. I managed to pull range, saw the flight of t2 Hobs, and (through great advice from a better pilot, who convinced me their drones were killable) decided to attempt to hold point while my acolytes hit my target and while I tried to clear drones.

To say I had the paper to scissors with a kite fit shows how much you know about fighting drone ships. Your strategy primarily should be against the drones, secondly against the ship. So, unless I'm wrong (as you seem to believe), drones are often quite faster than an orbiting MWD Comet. This is what I mean by saying force drones to stop and chase. They will mwd to you, hit you once and begin their normal orbit speed and then repeat. This is also why I was in hull.

::edited out pretentious bs::