Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So what? Every op risk being wiped out by a roam. Doesn't need to be my current neighbours.



That won't save my ratting op. You already saw few bombers making short work of some expensive ships.



Its not the same because wh corps don't demand an expectation of safety in order to operate. And so they are not "area denied".



That C3 corp would often have just few active pilots. And they keep going, rather than crying "area denial!". Why? Because they aren't paralyzed by risk aversion.

Yea I know its not the best idea. It has its flaws and would need to be refined.

Personally I would like to see some ship changes that would make covops more powerful, namely taking the covops cloak module and removing it as a module and making it part of the ship. Much like how a jump drive is part of the ship and not a module. This would free up a high slot for the covops. But another ship would also come into be, which could hunt covops. Local would get modified as well. Etc etc etc.

There are a ton of ideas out there. Some good some bad. I like playing with the ideas. I think some type of cloak hunting would be good for the game, but that is my personal bias cause that is the style of game play I enjoy.

Like I was saying to Delegate though. Really doesnt matter what change is made, something should be done about certain aspects of cloak. Namely the AFK cloaky issue.

Well them not being next to someone all the time means that the system they are in has new neighbours so less likely to be continuously camped, unless they are being camped by one of the big eviction WH alliance. The key point is that its random stuff not systematic camping, now do you get it? Sigh...

Bombers are easy to deal with, if it was bombers I would be rather happy...

It was you who insisted that people demand an expectation of safety, I have never said that, in fact the reason I liked ratting in 0.0 was due to the thrill of getting someone come after me, its you putting words in my mouth and based on your prejudices. Area denial is based on the concept of high risk, me I was the one pushing people to go operate in frigs and cruisers, which is what was destroyed by the D-scan immunity IMO...

And you talk about risk aversion, I bet if they see combat probes or something on D-scan they get back to the POS fast, they don't hang around and finish the site because they keep going, yeah right. Do they get in combat ships, but here is the rub do they fight even a fleet double their size in better ships and a sabre or two on field, do they see taht the people attacking are one of the major WH groups and say hmmm, hold on a sec, the only thing that might make them run out in cheap ships to give kills to the Major WH block attackers is the notion that major WH corps will not evict those that give good fights.

Wait you guys do this too, not just wormhole residents, in fact I have seen wh residents stay on grid and waiting for the enemy fleet before...

Well if people are conditioned to fight or be evicted then thats what they will do, but I was referring to just sitting there and carrying on in site in their shiny PvE boats instead of slipping into something more appropriate, after all he did say they keep going so I was wondering if they just sit there and let themselves be killed.

Someone suggested to me to go join an alliance in Null for some PVP fun, PVE ratting to make isk and maybe some mining if I was interested. I looked back at all the times I have lived in null and said, right so if someone red comes along and they are cloaky then I just have to dock up or POS up because we don't engage and its quiet when I am on.

Now admittedly this toon doesn't have any alliances on record.

Seems more like Carebear lobbying for changes that affect the only thing they do in game so want it to be easier for them.

Well I see you whining over a perfectly good proposition that reduces the ability for someone to play without being at the keyboard. You must be a cloaky camper who has rage issues over people you deem to be carebears.

Take up the suggestion of capital fleets to gank ratters with baltec, all I talked about was escalation possibilities, it was baltec who decided taht I said cap fleets to gank a ratter. You guys circle jerk like mad trying to put words in others mouths which you have all come up with, its pathetic!

Actually I make a lot more in hisec, the reason was quite simply that the ship I was worried about with the setup I had was the Curse and I could see that one coming, but after the change nope, my setup was carefully selected to deal with different scenarios and yet still rat efficiently, but that was a deal breaker in terms of what I was doing, so less ISK, and PvP activities was oh no a curse... As you seem to have a limited knowledge of PvP then I guess its above you?

I read the thread all the way through before proposing my solution, I noted the number of people who went on about he is AFK and not a threat so I put their money where their mouth is, simple really.

You might have noticed I also said D-scan there, but what ho, lol.

Where am I whining I have suggested a reduction in the ability to camp AFK its a suggestion not a whine, your prejudices are so evident its sad. All I see is your chest beating over things that you do not appear to have done based on your KB. That being said, yes one has to respect some of those WH corps, but you are too chicken to post with your main and while you talk about it there is nothing to prove that you have even done that especially as you talk about friends doing which I am not really likely to believe based on your posting.

You just have no idea and come out with faith based postulating like so many, sad really.

Look its a thread about asking for a nerf, something that would seriously affect alot of people. This is not a tutorial thread, that would be off topic, for that go to the new players section of the forums and ask for help, heck we have a channel for help.

Also for a small fee I may be willing to hook up with you in game to explain the ins and outs of it but not here. I'm active right now looking for "things" in hostile territory, but would make time for you. Don't be part of the problem, learn and adapt.

Well be part of the problem then I really don't care, you seem to think there is no way.

Edit: I apologize, that may have come off a bit harsh. This toon doesn't kill afk cloakys, the rest of the fleet does. Its a matter of getting in as they are vulnerable and creating a safe 0.0 right? I'm not saying there are no reasons for what you suggest but they affect a far larger part of the game than what you are suggesting, and not all cloakys are afk, so if they are in system with you the better idea would be to assume they are not afk.

IDK does it help you? I don't generally have a problem with afk cloakys, but I know null ratters/miners do.