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Jonathan De'Winter
The Outlet
#1 - 2015-02-04 13:29:17 UTC
Why Hello


So i trained up two of my characters to fly Black OPs battleships so i could run sites in nullsec and also help with ganking.

My alt lights a covert cyno and the Black Ops jump in


The problem i have found is that 4 max jumps into deep nullsec and im down to less than half of my fuel.


Question

I thought that i would be jumping all over nullsec but ive realised that im pretty limited in what i can do because of fuel considerations.

1. Is there anyway around this limitations or do i have to have a secondary character in a cloaky hauler carrying fuel for me.


Also

I trained for 5 months just to find this out now


Thanks for the help
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-02-04 13:32:44 UTC
There are so many things wrong here im not sure if troll lol

No Worries
Jonathan De'Winter
The Outlet
#3 - 2015-02-04 14:04:39 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
There are so many things wrong here im not sure if troll lol



Please tell me where i went wrong.

Also no troll
Janna Windforce
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-02-04 14:34:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Janna Windforce
Let's get this straight:
Black Ops = TAXI, nothing more, nothing less at the moment. Anything you can accomplish with Black Ops (which is T2 battleship without T2 resists, with idiotic cloak (bonus) with all the penalties) you can accomplish with T3 or Recons or Bombers.
Yes there are lads having fun in blops small gangs, but above still stands.
Considering the price of the hulls/fits, you certainly don't want to run sites in it and risk getting caught (you need fuel AND cap to jump).

Even when doing taxi service, you'll need to refuel usually after 1 op (bridge friends - jump - bridge back - jump).

Sad to break OP's dream, but Vic Lacuna's times are in far future, if ever.

If your goal is to "ninja" run nullsec sites, I'd recommend you training into T3, travelling in covert/nullification configuration and switch to combat subsystems via Mobile Depot.
Degnar Oskold
Moira.
#5 - 2015-02-04 19:00:46 UTC
Janna Windforce wrote:
Let's get this straight:
Black Ops = TAXI, nothing more, nothing less at the moment. Anything you can accomplish with Black Ops (which is T2 battleship without T2 resists, with idiotic cloak (bonus) with all the penalties) you can accomplish with T3 or Recons or Bombers.
Yes there are lads having fun in blops small gangs, but above still stands.
Considering the price of the hulls/fits, you certainly don't want to run sites in it and risk getting caught (you need fuel AND cap to jump).

Even when doing taxi service, you'll need to refuel usually after 1 op (bridge friends - jump - bridge back - jump).

Sad to break OP's dream, but Vic Lacuna's times are in far future, if ever.

If your goal is to "ninja" run nullsec sites, I'd recommend you training into T3, travelling in covert/nullification configuration and switch to combat subsystems via Mobile Depot.


Earlier in 2014 I did use a Sin for PVE missions in null. It ran sites faster than a T3 and cost less than a blinged up T3 that you need in order to get high DPS.

Not getting caught was easy as you would just warp to a safe and cloak whenever anything came near on dscan.

Now, however, it is stupid to try this. With Lachesis immune to d-scan you will never know one is coming until it is already within boosted faction point range.

So dock up your Black Ops BS until you have a gang you need to cyno through to somewhere.
Jonathan De'Winter
The Outlet
#6 - 2015-02-04 19:54:52 UTC
Degnar Oskold wrote:
Janna Windforce wrote:
Let's get this straight:
Black Ops = TAXI, nothing more, nothing less at the moment. Anything you can accomplish with Black Ops (which is T2 battleship without T2 resists, with idiotic cloak (bonus) with all the penalties) you can accomplish with T3 or Recons or Bombers.
Yes there are lads having fun in blops small gangs, but above still stands.
Considering the price of the hulls/fits, you certainly don't want to run sites in it and risk getting caught (you need fuel AND cap to jump).

Even when doing taxi service, you'll need to refuel usually after 1 op (bridge friends - jump - bridge back - jump).

Sad to break OP's dream, but Vic Lacuna's times are in far future, if ever.

If your goal is to "ninja" run nullsec sites, I'd recommend you training into T3, travelling in covert/nullification configuration and switch to combat subsystems via Mobile Depot.


Earlier in 2014 I did use a Sin for PVE missions in null. It ran sites faster than a T3 and cost less than a blinged up T3 that you need in order to get high DPS.

Not getting caught was easy as you would just warp to a safe and cloak whenever anything came near on dscan.

Now, however, it is stupid to try this. With Lachesis immune to d-scan you will never know one is coming until it is already within boosted faction point range.

So dock up your Black Ops BS until you have a gang you need to cyno through to somewhere.





I know that this is all true but i much assume that scanner probes will still appear on D-scan
Degnar Oskold
Moira.
#7 - 2015-02-04 20:07:36 UTC
Jonathan De'Winter wrote:
Degnar Oskold wrote:
Janna Windforce wrote:
Let's get this straight:
Black Ops = TAXI, nothing more, nothing less at the moment. Anything you can accomplish with Black Ops (which is T2 battleship without T2 resists, with idiotic cloak (bonus) with all the penalties) you can accomplish with T3 or Recons or Bombers.
Yes there are lads having fun in blops small gangs, but above still stands.
Considering the price of the hulls/fits, you certainly don't want to run sites in it and risk getting caught (you need fuel AND cap to jump).

Even when doing taxi service, you'll need to refuel usually after 1 op (bridge friends - jump - bridge back - jump).

Sad to break OP's dream, but Vic Lacuna's times are in far future, if ever.

If your goal is to "ninja" run nullsec sites, I'd recommend you training into T3, travelling in covert/nullification configuration and switch to combat subsystems via Mobile Depot.


Earlier in 2014 I did use a Sin for PVE missions in null. It ran sites faster than a T3 and cost less than a blinged up T3 that you need in order to get high DPS.

Not getting caught was easy as you would just warp to a safe and cloak whenever anything came near on dscan.

Now, however, it is stupid to try this. With Lachesis immune to d-scan you will never know one is coming until it is already within boosted faction point range.

So dock up your Black Ops BS until you have a gang you need to cyno through to somewhere.





I know that this is all true but i much assume that scanner probes will still appear on D-scan


What if someone had previously probed the site and was waiting for someone to come run it?
Jonathan De'Winter
The Outlet
#8 - 2015-02-04 20:13:53 UTC
yes ofc i forgot that the EVE denizens can be ****** like that.


scan down a site and then spent hours picking off anyone trying to enter it
Degnar Oskold
Moira.
#9 - 2015-02-04 20:43:30 UTC
Jonathan De'Winter wrote:
yes ofc i forgot that the EVE denizens can be ****** like that.


scan down a site and then spent hours picking off anyone trying to enter it


It's not just that. Someone comes into your system, realises that you are trying to run a site, tries to probe you and you run.

They then go to all surrounding systems and probe down the combat sites in those, for when you move on.

They use an alt to figure out which system you move on to.

Between d-scan and their pre-scanned list, they instantly realised where you are and bring in their faction-point boosted lachesis within 70 km of you and point you.

You are clever, you have your MJD. You activate.

But they are burning in towards you, their snake set and skirmish boosts and nanofibres giving incredible speed. Now they have you scrammed just before your MJD kicks in.

Then their gang enters system.....
Jonathan De'Winter
The Outlet
#10 - 2015-02-04 20:57:51 UTC
Degnar Oskold wrote:
Jonathan De'Winter wrote:
yes ofc i forgot that the EVE denizens can be ****** like that.


scan down a site and then spent hours picking off anyone trying to enter it


It's not just that. Someone comes into your system, realises that you are trying to run a site, tries to probe you and you run.

They then go to all surrounding systems and probe down the combat sites in those, for when you move on.

They use an alt to figure out which system you move on to.

Between d-scan and their pre-scanned list, they instantly realised where you are and bring in their faction-point boosted lachesis within 70 km of you and point you.

You are clever, you have your MJD. You activate.

But they are burning in towards you, their snake set and skirmish boosts and nanofibres giving incredible speed. Now they have you scrammed just before your MJD kicks in.

Then their gang enters system.....



A further question is this... Can a black op jump to a cyno if it has been pointed?
Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#11 - 2015-02-04 21:19:03 UTC
Have you ever thought about basing out of or parking in npc 0.0 stations and then run your black ops from there once you find sites?
Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#12 - 2015-02-04 21:21:43 UTC
Janna Windforce wrote:
Let's get this straight:
Black Ops = TAXI, nothing more, nothing less at the moment. Anything you can accomplish with Black Ops (which is T2 battleship without T2 resists, with idiotic cloak (bonus) with all the penalties) you can accomplish with T3 or Recons or Bombers.
Yes there are lads having fun in blops small gangs, but above still stands.
Considering the price of the hulls/fits, you certainly don't want to run sites in it and risk getting caught (you need fuel AND cap to jump).

Even when doing taxi service, you'll need to refuel usually after 1 op (bridge friends - jump - bridge back - jump).

Sad to break OP's dream, but Vic Lacuna's times are in far future, if ever.

If your goal is to "ninja" run nullsec sites, I'd recommend you training into T3, travelling in covert/nullification configuration and switch to combat subsystems via Mobile Depot.



Incorrect kind sir. Recons, T3, and Bombers do not have jump drive capability. Therefore, you are not able to jump to targets solo like a black ops can. you need a bridger. you are also wrong about running sites. Dual sins work perfectly and as long as you're not an idiot. you will see probes in local longer before you're sniffed out.

My advice to you: learn in game mechanics before attempting to provide advice because you're wrong on so many levels.
Jonathan De'Winter
The Outlet
#13 - 2015-02-04 21:29:11 UTC
Torothin wrote:
Janna Windforce wrote:
Let's get this straight:
Black Ops = TAXI, nothing more, nothing less at the moment. Anything you can accomplish with Black Ops (which is T2 battleship without T2 resists, with idiotic cloak (bonus) with all the penalties) you can accomplish with T3 or Recons or Bombers.
Yes there are lads having fun in blops small gangs, but above still stands.
Considering the price of the hulls/fits, you certainly don't want to run sites in it and risk getting caught (you need fuel AND cap to jump).

Even when doing taxi service, you'll need to refuel usually after 1 op (bridge friends - jump - bridge back - jump).

Sad to break OP's dream, but Vic Lacuna's times are in far future, if ever.

If your goal is to "ninja" run nullsec sites, I'd recommend you training into T3, travelling in covert/nullification configuration and switch to combat subsystems via Mobile Depot.



Incorrect kind sir. Recons, T3, and Bombers do not have jump drive capability. Therefore, you are not able to jump to targets solo like a black ops can. you need a bridger. you are also wrong about running sites. Dual sins work perfectly and as long as you're not an idiot. you will see probes in local longer before you're sniffed out.

My advice to you: learn in game mechanics before attempting to provide advice because you're wrong on so many levels.



I can agree with this. Ive run angel and guristia 8/10 and 10/10 on sisi with dual sins. It took a while to work out the correct fit but once you know how its pretty easy to do. Its just finding these things plus the added problems of A the local Denizens and B the cost of fuel per jump.
Janna Windforce
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-02-06 09:18:28 UTC
Torothin wrote:
Janna Windforce wrote:
Let's get this straight:
Black Ops = TAXI, nothing more, nothing less at the moment. Anything you can accomplish with Black Ops (which is T2 battleship without T2 resists, with idiotic cloak (bonus) with all the penalties) you can accomplish with T3 or Recons or Bombers.
Yes there are lads having fun in blops small gangs, but above still stands.
Considering the price of the hulls/fits, you certainly don't want to run sites in it and risk getting caught (you need fuel AND cap to jump).

Even when doing taxi service, you'll need to refuel usually after 1 op (bridge friends - jump - bridge back - jump).

Sad to break OP's dream, but Vic Lacuna's times are in far future, if ever.

If your goal is to "ninja" run nullsec sites, I'd recommend you training into T3, travelling in covert/nullification configuration and switch to combat subsystems via Mobile Depot.



Incorrect kind sir. Recons, T3, and Bombers do not have jump drive capability. Therefore, you are not able to jump to targets solo like a black ops can. you need a bridger. you are also wrong about running sites. Dual sins work perfectly and as long as you're not an idiot. you will see probes in local longer before you're sniffed out.

My advice to you: learn in game mechanics before attempting to provide advice because you're wrong on so many levels.


Ehm, ofc you need bridger... and dual Sins is what then? You can use one Sin and T3, you need cyno anyway. So "solo" for you means you + your alts? Incorrect assumption, sir.
Mr Morimoto
Bread And Circus
#15 - 2015-02-07 14:22:15 UTC
A Simple Solution to a simple problem - fuel truck alt with a covert cyno, such as the Viator
Gal Udan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-02-09 10:39:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Gal Udan
I wouldn't be too terrible disappointed just yet. Blops have always been in a strange place. CCP knows this, and I believe once they turn their gaze to Blops they will be made to become viable for being more than just a taxi for cloaked hot drops. They've even stated the idea of breaking them into two different groups, support/attack, at some point to try to make one type do bridges, and one do dmg. Not sure where they stand on that now as it was said about 2 years ago.

Even in their current state they are used to pretty high effect by people who think outside of the box.


Edit: For running sites in null..... just join a sov holding alliance/coalition. Your life will be much better off than trying to jump everywhere in a 1b+ ship that will die to just about everything solo.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#17 - 2015-02-09 13:44:22 UTC
Buddy of mine used to run dual Sin's in nullsec anom's. Just jump around until you find a quiet system and start ratting. Of course you are looking at 3x accounts base, he had 4x accounts and one of them was a covert hauler fuel truck.

If you have 4x accounts with that many SP just join a nullsec coalition and use 4x ishtars lol

Not today spaghetti.
Jonathan De'Winter
The Outlet
#18 - 2015-02-10 19:51:20 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Buddy of mine used to run dual Sin's in nullsec anom's. Just jump around until you find a quiet system and start ratting. Of course you are looking at 3x accounts base, he had 4x accounts and one of them was a covert hauler fuel truck.

If you have 4x accounts with that many SP just join a nullsec coalition and use 4x ishtars lol




thanks for the info.

I run two sins and have them jump to a covert cyno. But to get to the real outer reaches of nullsec requires a fuel back up. You are completely right if i have to train up a 4th character i may as well join a nullsec alliance and use all 4 for dps
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2015-02-10 22:14:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
Jonathan De'Winter wrote:
A further question is this... Can a black op jump to a cyno if it has been pointed?

Nope.

Honestly if you don't know the answers to basic questions like this I don't think you should be flying Black Ops.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#20 - 2015-02-11 19:46:25 UTC
Two things:

1. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but these are all questions you likely should have asked before spending the time and ISK to train for and purchase these expensive ships. Welcome to EvE.

2. Train your cyno alt to fly a Blockade Runner and have them haul extra fuel. That's really all you can do aside from taking a few gates here and there.


I trained for BlOps as a side effect of having trained capital ships back when you needed BS V to train them. I have yet to use one and in their current state I doubt I ever would. They have their uses (albeit limited uses), it's just that none of them dovetail with how I play.

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