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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#1021 - 2015-02-07 08:38:00 UTC
Cassandra Skjem wrote:
Honestly the better solution would be to eliminate local. If you can't pick em up with your scanners maybe Schroedinger's Cat didn't get killed yet.


The issue here is that the risk is too damn great for people to operate, contrary to peoples perception of me as being full of fear etc., I was actually belt ratting to have fun while grinding giving people a merry chase and trying to pick them off if they made mistakes in my period in Stain, I did the PvE with ships fitted for PvP, see my article on EN24. I got a few but most were wise to me, removing local would make it just a question of having three accounts minimum and lots of screens just to operate in 0.0. Or I have to sit around waiting for my assistance in corp to come in which means I twiddle me thumbs...

At that point ISK making in 0.0 as a small corp or solo person is not valid, so I would decide as I did recently after the D-scan nerf to just do level 4's in hisec and come into 0.0 for fun and games only. What will happen then:

Massive whining by gankbears asking for hisec rewards to be nerfed and rewards in 0.0 to be increased, but CCP cannot nerf level 4's because at this point there are a lot of people in hisec who do that and many would just go, nah not going to null.

If you want an empty wastelands with pockets of large groups together in -1.00 systems and a few groups ninja operating then yeah remove local, it would be amusing to watch from hisec!

That being said I hope the new Jovian space has no local if that is what is happening of course, then we can test your ideas, but it also requires no intel about activities that enable hunters to easily zoom in on people.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1022 - 2015-02-07 08:42:15 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Cassandra Skjem wrote:
Honestly the better solution would be to eliminate local. If you can't pick em up with your scanners maybe Schroedinger's Cat didn't get killed yet.


The issue here is that the risk is too damn great for people to operate, contrary to peoples perception of me as being full of fear etc., I was actually belt ratting to have fun while grinding giving people a merry chase and trying to pick them off if they made mistakes in my period in Stain, I did the PvE with ships fitted for PvP, see my article on EN24. I got a few but most were wise to me, removing local would make it just a question of having three accounts minimum and lots of screens just to operate in 0.0. Or I have to sit around waiting for my assistance in corp to come in which means I twiddle me thumbs...

At that point ISK making in 0.0 as a small corp or solo person is not valid, so I would decide as I did recently after the D-scan nerf to just do level 4's in hisec and come into 0.0 for fun and games only. What will happen then:

Massive whining by gankbears asking for hisec rewards to be nerfed and rewards in 0.0 to be increased, but CCP cannot nerf level 4's because at this point there are a lot of people in hisec who do that and many would just go, nah not going to null.

If you want an empty wastelands with pockets of large groups together in -1.00 systems and a few groups ninja operating then yeah remove local, it would be amusing to watch from hisec!

That being said I hope the new Jovian space has no local if that is what is happening of course, then we can test your ideas, but it also requires no intel about activities that enable hunters to easily zoom in on people.


WH get along not only just fine without local, but so fine they have the most pimped out fleets I have ever seen. Your argument has zero merit.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#1023 - 2015-02-07 08:45:18 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Cassandra Skjem wrote:
Honestly the better solution would be to eliminate local. If you can't pick em up with your scanners maybe Schroedinger's Cat didn't get killed yet.


The issue here is that the risk is too damn great for people to operate, contrary to peoples perception of me as being full of fear etc., I was actually belt ratting to have fun while grinding giving people a merry chase and trying to pick them off if they made mistakes in my period in Stain, I did the PvE with ships fitted for PvP, see my article on EN24. I got a few but most were wise to me, removing local would make it just a question of having three accounts minimum and lots of screens just to operate in 0.0. Or I have to sit around waiting for my assistance in corp to come in which means I twiddle me thumbs...

At that point ISK making in 0.0 as a small corp or solo person is not valid, so I would decide as I did recently after the D-scan nerf to just do level 4's in hisec and come into 0.0 for fun and games only. What will happen then:

Massive whining by gankbears asking for hisec rewards to be nerfed and rewards in 0.0 to be increased, but CCP cannot nerf level 4's because at this point there are a lot of people in hisec who do that and many would just go, nah not going to null.

If you want an empty wastelands with pockets of large groups together in -1.00 systems and a few groups ninja operating then yeah remove local, it would be amusing to watch from hisec!

That being said I hope the new Jovian space has no local if that is what is happening of course, then we can test your ideas, but it also requires no intel about activities that enable hunters to easily zoom in on people.


WH get along not only just fine without local, but so fine they have the most pimped out fleets I have ever seen. Your argument has zero merit.


So stating a fact that a game mechanic WH which has limited mass as compared to a cyno that does not has zero merit, methinks you try too hard...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Celestia Via
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#1024 - 2015-02-07 08:46:12 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


Of course that is what I was aware of from the start when I made this proposition, it can be gamed by people at the keyboard, but give me a choice between that risk and gaining quicker intel when that person is slaving at work or snoring in bed I would take it. At the end of the day its still to remove the AFK part of playing Eve while not playing Eve, however anyone assuming that flag offers total security is a noob, straight off...



Would you take it? really? or you would ask for the webcam thingy so you can be sure your boogeyman is truly afk..
And what if hes hiding behind the sofa?

Jokes aside, an AFK flag the way you imagine it, with history even so its convenient for you, is a breach of privacy.
I can be logged in and there should be no indication to others what I am really doing behind my screen.

An AFK flag would be for me to set if i want to, not for anyones intel gathering (about me).

"We marched for days and nights, under sun, in the rain. Our minds and bodies ached for rest, but in our hearts there was nothing but the fight."

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1025 - 2015-02-07 08:49:14 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


So stating a fact that a game mechanic WH which has limited mass as compared to a cyno that does not has zero merit, methinks you try too hard...


Methinks you lie too much.

Nobody is dumping entire Strat Op fleets on a ratter.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#1026 - 2015-02-07 08:56:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


So stating a fact that a game mechanic WH which has limited mass as compared to a cyno that does not has zero merit, methinks you try too hard...


Methinks you lie too much.

Nobody is dumping entire Strat Op fleets on a ratter.


So you just theory craft with EFT then? And very well I may add Big smile

Its called escalation which often occurs when a defender has caught an attacker and is making mincemeat out of them so they escalate to save them.

Of course someone would not escalate in Deklin, they can't, but in regions close to Catch PL could escalate to the end game, on for example an event started by a BLOP's fleet getting caught, its pretty obvious...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#1027 - 2015-02-07 08:59:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Celestia Via wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


Of course that is what I was aware of from the start when I made this proposition, it can be gamed by people at the keyboard, but give me a choice between that risk and gaining quicker intel when that person is slaving at work or snoring in bed I would take it. At the end of the day its still to remove the AFK part of playing Eve while not playing Eve, however anyone assuming that flag offers total security is a noob, straight off...



Would you take it? really? or you would ask for the webcam thingy so you can be sure your boogeyman is truly afk..
And what if hes hiding behind the sofa?

Jokes aside, an AFK flag the way you imagine it, with history even so its convenient for you, is a breach of privacy.
I can be logged in and there should be no indication to others what I am really doing behind my screen.

An AFK flag would be for me to set if i want to, not for anyones intel gathering (about me).


An AFK flag is sufficient and in itself has no impact on any privacy laws whatsoever, I am getting worried about you, webcams... Shocked

And in any case you can gather that intel over time anyway, checking corp changes is one way...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1028 - 2015-02-07 10:04:27 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Dracvlad wrote:


So you just theory craft with EFT then? And very well I may add Big smile

Its called escalation which often occurs when a defender has caught an attacker and is making mincemeat out of them so they escalate to save them.

Of course someone would not escalate in Deklin, they can't, but in regions close to Catch PL could escalate to the end game, on for example an event started by a BLOP's fleet getting caught, its pretty obvious...


Yes, they can escalate in dek. How do you think they kill our titans?

What nobody does is dump entire fleets on a ratter unless you decide to drop triage carriers which you don't need in the first place. The vast vast bulk of gangs hunting ratters number around 15 pilots which is easily handled by just about any competent gang of your own.
Dihi San
Lucky Few
#1029 - 2015-02-07 10:54:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Dihi San
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


So stating a fact that a game mechanic WH which has limited mass as compared to a cyno that does not has zero merit, methinks you try too hard...


Methinks you lie too much.

Nobody is dumping entire Strat Op fleets on a ratter.


Not sure if lying or lying...but this thing happens on a daily basis. Everyone and their dog wants in on a killmail. Just yesterday I saw a 20 man carrier fleet hotdropping a Stratios, and that was from a small alliance unlike the goons you run with.

Dracvlad wrote:


And in any case you can gather that intel over time anyway, checking corp changes is one way...


In Alts Online? Legit reply is legit.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#1030 - 2015-02-07 10:57:09 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


So you just theory craft with EFT then? And very well I may add Big smile

Its called escalation which often occurs when a defender has caught an attacker and is making mincemeat out of them so they escalate to save them.

Of course someone would not escalate in Deklin, they can't, but in regions close to Catch PL could escalate to the end game, on for example an event started by a BLOP's fleet getting caught, its pretty obvious...


Yes, they can escalate in dek. How do you think they kill our titans?

What nobody does is dump entire fleets on a ratter unless you decide to drop triage carriers which you don't need in the first place. The vast vast bulk of gangs hunting ratters number around 15 pilots which is easily handled by just about any competent gang of your own.


But that is now rather difficult to do with the changes to power projection, its not impossible but its only people like Black Legion who have the attitude for it in Deklin, the others do smaller stuff.

I never said they would dump strat fleets on ratters, I have always been talking about potential escalations.

Triage set up for that when I knew the fleet that the Razor campers could bring in, did not get dropped as they knew they could not take us. 15 may be what you see in Deklin, in other space its less due to obvious reasons. Gang, what do you define as a Gang, what many people define as a fleet I would guess?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#1031 - 2015-02-07 11:01:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Dihi San wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


So stating a fact that a game mechanic WH which has limited mass as compared to a cyno that does not has zero merit, methinks you try too hard...


Methinks you lie too much.

Nobody is dumping entire Strat Op fleets on a ratter.


Not sure if lying or lying...but this thing happens on a daily basis. Everyone and their dog wants in on a killmail. Just yesterday I saw a 20 man carrier fleet hotdropping a Stratios, and that was from a small alliance unlike the goons you run with.


He can not see it as he is a full of resources Goon, its beneath him, so up on his high tower he dispenses his words of wisdom based on his own sandbox, hell I saw -A- drop a carrier on a rifter in Stain, and what you describe is the reality in most of Eve.

For many that would be a start level fleet, for a Goon that is a gang, methinks its because he is out of touch with the reality of all but the big blocks...

Dihi San wrote:
In Alts Online? Legit reply is legit.


Yeah its linking the accounts which is fun, often they do have linked kills, but sometimes you have to sacrifice something...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1032 - 2015-02-07 11:03:14 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:

But that is now rather difficult to do with the changes to power projection, its not impossible but its only people like Black Legion who have the attitude for it in Deklin, the others do smaller stuff.



It still happens, so your statement that Dek is safe is simply not true.

Dracvlad wrote:

I never said they would dump strat fleets on ratters, I have always been talking about potential escalations.


Once again we come to the fact that you are paralysed by fear of something that might happen.

Dracvlad wrote:

Triage set up for that when I knew the fleet that the Razor campers could bring in, did not get dropped as they knew they could not take us. 15 may be what you see in Deklin, in other space its less due to obvious reasons. Gang, what do you define as a Gang, what many people define as a fleet I would guess?


Oh I dunno, 15?

there is nothing unique of special about dek, we get the exact same gangs, afk campers and hotdrops everyone else gets. The difference between us and you is that we put in the effort to protect ourselves while you give up, run away and then beg CCP to hold your hand.
Delegate
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1033 - 2015-02-07 11:31:17 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Delegate wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Oh dear the wormhole argument again, well while you can light a cyno in worm hole space, nothing can jump to it, its not what is in system which is the problem, its what can cyno in on you that is, doh can you think it through before posting, facepalm!!!

In terms of the D-scan immunity, yeah too damn right I rage quit, it was the final straw, my arguments are posted on EN24 which explain why.


What's in the system, or - for that matter - what might be in the system, is very much the problem when you don't have local. Sometimes you will miscalculate and your ratting will end up badly, like say:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d71Y4mwCu7s

Yet corps of all sizes and experience keep playing in wh despite harsh environment. Why? Because they don't have an expectation of safety in null security space. They don't whine asking CCP to play them the game. They don't rage-quit over some ship disappearing from d-scan. Somehow they don't see any “area denial”.


The same answer, you cannot cyno in a huge amount of forces into a WH, you can of course bring them in via a hole but there is limits to mass which you don't have on cynos which is why WH play has to seed the attacking ships over a period of time to attack the HQ holes of the larger corps, which is of course fun and has risks involved in doing that. In normal space its instant.


You don't need to seed anything to gank a ratting op. Surprise by a roaming fleet is all it takes. In that example I linked the gank was a bunch of bombers that came through... a frigate-only hole. Yet wh corps keep playing. Even very small ones, with just several active members.
That simply invalidates your claim about some "area denial". The only "area denied" players are those that would like to rip null profits but are otherwise so risk averse as to rage-quit over some ship disappearing from dscan.

Dracvlad wrote:
You ignore that issue like so many and just chant remove local like some religious faith based concept that normal space with known connections such as gates, instant drop mechanisms such as cyno's and instant intel on activities on the map will be just like WH space, you dream...


That just prove you didn't even care to read this thread before posting. Otherwise you would see for example this:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5392372#post5392372

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#1034 - 2015-02-07 11:48:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Delegate wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Delegate wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Oh dear the wormhole argument again, well while you can light a cyno in worm hole space, nothing can jump to it, its not what is in system which is the problem, its what can cyno in on you that is, doh can you think it through before posting, facepalm!!!

In terms of the D-scan immunity, yeah too damn right I rage quit, it was the final straw, my arguments are posted on EN24 which explain why.


What's in the system, or - for that matter - what might be in the system, is very much the problem when you don't have local. Sometimes you will miscalculate and your ratting will end up badly, like say:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d71Y4mwCu7s

Yet corps of all sizes and experience keep playing in wh despite harsh environment. Why? Because they don't have an expectation of safety in null security space. They don't whine asking CCP to play them the game. They don't rage-quit over some ship disappearing from d-scan. Somehow they don't see any “area denial”.


The same answer, you cannot cyno in a huge amount of forces into a WH, you can of course bring them in via a hole but there is limits to mass which you don't have on cynos which is why WH play has to seed the attacking ships over a period of time to attack the HQ holes of the larger corps, which is of course fun and has risks involved in doing that. In normal space its instant.


You don't need to seed anything to gank a ratting op. Surprise by a roaming fleet is all it takes. In that example I linked the gank was a bunch of bombers that came through... a frigate-only hole. Yet wh corps keep playing. Even very small ones, with just several active members.
That simply invalidates your claim about some "area denial". The only "area denied" players are those that would like to rip null profits but are otherwise so risk averse as to rage-quit over some ship disappearing from dscan.

Dracvlad wrote:
You ignore that issue like so many and just chant remove local like some religious faith based concept that normal space with known connections such as gates, instant drop mechanisms such as cyno's and instant intel on activities on the map will be just like WH space, you dream...


That just prove you didn't even care to read this thread before posting. Otherwise you would see for example this:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5392372#post5392372



Its your point of view based on your experiences and prejudices, your answer is its their fault because they are so risk adverse is just meh, you have not proved anything with that statement about a WH corp continuing to operate even though they got trashed by bombers, and we are not talking about bombers coming through holes, we are talking about Cyno's, BLOP's hotdrops and Super/Titan drops, which you do not get in WH's so your complete analogy on WH's is false. Simple fact no cyno can be jumped to in WH's WH space is irrelevant to this whole discussion and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves and using it to distract from the real issue. A F K play!!!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Delegate
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1035 - 2015-02-07 11:48:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Delegate
Haywoud Jablomi wrote:
Offensive covops. No.

I said ships that have scan bonuses. I am well aware it includes the T3s, as well as the SOE ships.


And these T3s would end up the source of another hundred pages whine.

Haywoud Jablomi wrote:
I dont see an issue with the idea of the probes on the grid.


Because you have absolutely no idea what you write about.

Haywoud Jablomi wrote:
Some examples. All assuming you have probes out.

A. Ship warps in on grid. Lets say at the furthest point of 100km. You scan and get a hit......
1. The ship is stationary and you manage to decloak him by warping next to him. Score a kill. Fleet defended.
2. The ship is moving already and is orbiting an objective. You warp in fails to find a target. Try again.
3. Your target is within 150km of you anyway and you cant warp to them. You know they are there, cant really do anything about it.

Short and simple is. Moving targets and scanning just dont mix. The most info you might gain is a ship type and if you are lucky you can decloak them. Without being able to use a D-scan to see the ships, you have no idea what to pre align to so you can jump into warp quickly.


I gave you specific hint in my previous post but you couldn't see it. I would warp away my fleet the moment I scan bombers coming to my grid. An entire profession and a whole class of ships now gets removed from the game because you want "all-blue-all-safe sov" button. Do you know what "stealth" means in "stealth bombers"?

Haywoud Jablomi wrote:
Yes I am aware the idea has been offered up before. Most of the ones in this thread have been. That doesnt change the fact that I enjoy discussing the issue. I have said several times that if nothing changes in the game, I personally dont care. I will continue to play. But that doesnt mean that I wont be vocal about things I would like to see in the game. It just happens this is a controversial topic.


Guess what. An idea that gets proposed and rejected year after year probably isn't seen as sound by devs. Being "vocal" about it may bring you frustration, at best.
Delegate
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1036 - 2015-02-07 11:59:22 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Its your point of view based on your experiences and prejudices, your answer is its there fault because they are so risk adverse is just meh, you have not proved anything with that statement about a WH corp continuing to operate even though they got tanked, and we are not talking about bombers coming through holes, we are talking about Cyno's, BLOP's hotdrops and Super/Titan drops, which you do not get in WH's so your complete analogy on WH's is false. Simple fact no cyno can be jumped to in WH's WH space is irrelevant to this whole discussion and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves and using it to distract from the real issue. A F K play!!!


I am talking about playing under constant risk of getting your entire ratting op wiped out. You would very much like to portrait it as irrelevant, under the pretense that it was - say - bombers rather than Titan and that they come via wh rather than cyno (but the op still got wiped out, you know), because these guys disprove your "area denial" every single day. And they don't whine for CCP to play them the game.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#1037 - 2015-02-07 12:07:24 UTC
Delegate wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Its your point of view based on your experiences and prejudices, your answer is its there fault because they are so risk adverse is just meh, you have not proved anything with that statement about a WH corp continuing to operate even though they got tanked, and we are not talking about bombers coming through holes, we are talking about Cyno's, BLOP's hotdrops and Super/Titan drops, which you do not get in WH's so your complete analogy on WH's is false. Simple fact no cyno can be jumped to in WH's WH space is irrelevant to this whole discussion and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves and using it to distract from the real issue. A F K play!!!


I am talking about playing under constant risk of getting your entire ratting op wiped out. You would very much like to portrait it as irrelevant, under the pretense that it was - say - bombers rather than Titan and that they come via wh rather than cyno (but the op still got wiped out, you know), because these guys disprove your "area denial" every single day. And they don't whine for CCP to play them the game.


Answer this then, is your friends WH subject to the same neighbours every day? No!

And a Cyno has no limits in terms of mass unlike WH's

Stop it, its foolish, its not the same!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1038 - 2015-02-07 12:47:17 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


Answer this then, is your friends WH subject to the same neighbours every day? No!

And a Cyno has no limits in terms of mass unlike WH's

Stop it, its foolish, its not the same!


Given 99% of attacks on our space involve 15 people or less in subcaps, yea, its the same.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#1039 - 2015-02-07 13:45:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


Answer this then, is your friends WH subject to the same neighbours every day? No!

And a Cyno has no limits in terms of mass unlike WH's

Stop it, its foolish, its not the same!


Given 99% of attacks on our space involve 15 people or less in subcaps, yea, its the same.


Quite funny as a one liner which you are good at however you ar contradicting an earlier one liner, nonetheless remoteness, surrounded by highly protected borders that cannot be traversed easily with the jump changes, so no caps in effect and most of the attacks being small gangs raiding from the NPC areas or coming in via WH's. A massive local superiority in available forces that means no escalation by your attackers is possible unless they are using fully insured dreads to take down a Titan.

This is the strategic picture of your alliances position, as people have pointed out so often Tau Ceti really did set you up well...

This is not however the same as a WH, I would think in the example given is a C3 with a small corp in it, no way jose...

EDIT :

And his reply smacks of his own vested interests, my proposition was for an AFK flag applied to anyone who had not been active in game for an hour by triggers that are created by CCP, at this point they are flagged as AFK in local. Once they use D-scan, warp or use any modules the flag is removed and a Notifiaction Feed is sent to all in local.

For him a Goon sitting in fortress Deklin this is of no benefit at all, but the sub-alliances operating on the borders would find this useful, he as a Goon is likely running around other peoples space with his AFK cloaky campers which the Goons do a lot by the way as they soften up an enemy and this would make it less effective. Of course he would not like it because it makes his alliances play harder and less effective.

And that is why you see him saying its not a good idea and trying to divert attention away from it, simple really!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Haywoud Jablomi
Vay Mining Corporation
#1040 - 2015-02-07 13:51:25 UTC
Delegate. Man I am sorry but I think the only one frustrated is yourself. I am posting here while I am at work. That's why there are huge gaps in my responses. People have been talking about cloak for just a long. I personally enjoy the debate.

Regardless of how a solution is achieved, it still doesnt change the fact that I feel something needs to be either added or done to deal with certain aspects of cloak.

Yea there are some issues with the probe idea. I still find it one of the more promising ideas, if an idea was ever implimented. I do disagree that it would ruin a class of ship. I think that is overreacting.

But things like fuel for cloak, and a system upgrade based item are good ideas too. I find it unlikely that in all the years EVE has been running that CCP hasnt at least played with the idea of cloak hunting. Who knows what could be in the code that just isnt implemented.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? Yes; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP should be completely avoided" "However if you train cloak, you can avoid it all you want." (Modified)