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drone region hierarchy loot table debuff, since when and why?
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belliar
Church Support Group
Brothers of Tangra
#1 - 2015-02-02 14:58:12 UTC
as a fan of exploring i often scan down combat sites in the drone region but as of recent i found them giving less loot then previous expansions. I could find no reference in devblogs to this debuff so i have to ask. Are people & CCP aware this happend?

Example:

before we could run an Hierarchy combat site, and get an escalation from it. That escalation can escalate 3 more times.
Final escalation the 4th, has a station and lotsa drones that u kill and then a hive hierarchy mother will drop T2 Salvage.
This loot payout from the hive mother was always about/between 200-400mil in T2 salvage. Its rare to get this stage, at 10 combat sites, only 5 gave escalations and only 1 reached the final stage. The reward seems to be a solid 128mil T2 salvage now, happend to me several times now.

I wonder when CCP decided to debuff and why not tell us about it? The other regions (angel/gurista/bloodraider) have been buffed for loot tables to get more and better stuff from exploration and escalations... But drone regions is now debuffed it seemed.

Also the drone region data sites never changed when the other regions did receive buffs.
Also the independence combat site 4th escalation is bugged, never spawns the Hive mother.

Can anyone confirm that theres a recent debuff implemented for the drone regions regarding these combat sites: hierarchy/Radiance/independence ?
Serene Repose
#2 - 2015-02-02 15:05:57 UTC
Hah hah. The loot table rewrote itself. Shocked

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#3 - 2015-02-02 15:07:42 UTC
Maybe the price for T2 salvage just dropped?

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belliar
Church Support Group
Brothers of Tangra
#4 - 2015-02-02 15:54:17 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Maybe the price for T2 salvage just dropped?


i considered that, we always got way more salvage parts then we get now.

Also the fact we had 128mil loot value on 2 different occasions, would suggest a limit.
U get like 20 different salvage part types (could be 100 parts total), added all up they were exactly 128mil.

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#5 - 2015-02-02 18:44:57 UTC
People always ***** about Dronelands, but no one wants to move away from there.. which leads me to believe that Dronelands aren't as bad as people say they are.



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Brea Lafail
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-02-03 04:37:29 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
People always ***** about Dronelands, but no one wants to move away from there.. which leads me to believe that Dronelands aren't as bad as people say they are.




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Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-02-03 16:53:45 UTC
Are you sure we're not talking "nerf" here, rather than debuff. This could become quite confusing.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#8 - 2015-02-03 17:28:05 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
Are you sure we're not talking "nerf" here, rather than debuff. This could become quite confusing.


Well, according to everyone, Dronelands have only gone downhill, so im sure OP means 'nerf'. 'Debuff' would mean that at some point CCP made Dronelands better.

But by saying 'debuff', maybe OP is admitting that Dronelands got love in the past, and needed to be brought down a peg to be balanced.. which would throw into question pretty much every single Dronelands whine thread ever made!

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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#9 - 2015-02-06 06:45:30 UTC
One anecdote, no statistical data, lots of whine

Confirmed nerf.
Nikodiemus
Ganja Clade
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2015-02-06 07:53:09 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
People always ***** about Dronelands, but no one wants to move away from there.. which leads me to believe that Dronelands aren't as bad as people say they are.





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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2015-02-06 14:45:53 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
Are you sure we're not talking "nerf" here, rather than debuff. This could become quite confusing.


True, I do not recall dron-regions being buffed since I play...which is kind of obligatory if we speak of a "debuff"...they always only recieve the nerf-bat

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Mori Ki
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-02-06 16:48:12 UTC
It was enough that they eliminated drone poo and drops entirely aside from the odd BPC (which is quite rare in itself...and the BPCs aren't even that good) and as it is there's almost no officer/faction mods for drones.
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#13 - 2015-02-06 22:52:04 UTC
Mori Ki wrote:
It was enough that they eliminated drone poo and drops entirely aside from the odd BPC (which is quite rare in itself...and the BPCs aren't even that good) and as it is there's almost no officer/faction mods for drones.


Yes there is. Sentients drop faction DDAs and omni's i believe.

Could of sworn there were officer mods too.

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Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#14 - 2015-02-07 06:19:58 UTC
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Mori Ki wrote:
It was enough that they eliminated drone poo and drops entirely aside from the odd BPC (which is quite rare in itself...and the BPCs aren't even that good) and as it is there's almost no officer/faction mods for drones.


Yes there is. Sentients drop faction DDAs and omni's i believe.

Could of sworn there were officer mods too.


They also drop nexus chips, quite commonly in my experience, making drone sites actually quite profitable.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#15 - 2015-02-07 08:56:24 UTC
belliar wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Maybe the price for T2 salvage just dropped?


i considered that, we always got way more salvage parts then we get now.

Also the fact we had 128mil loot value on 2 different occasions, would suggest a limit.
U get like 20 different salvage part types (could be 100 parts total), added all up they were exactly 128mil.



T2 salvage has tanked though that doesn't explain the drop in escalation frequency. I suspect you will find they increased escalation, they just moved the triggers.

We blamed Drone region for mineral tank but it is not Drone region that killed T2 salvage and T2 rigs. T2 salvage and T2 rigs did that. If you are working with an income based on T2 salvage it's a race to the bottom, it doesn't matter where you are farming them.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#16 - 2015-02-07 09:41:44 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Pok Nibin wrote:
Are you sure we're not talking "nerf" here, rather than debuff. This could become quite confusing.


Well, according to everyone, Dronelands have only gone downhill, so im sure OP means 'nerf'. 'Debuff' would mean that at some point CCP made Dronelands better.

But by saying 'debuff', maybe OP is admitting that Dronelands got love in the past, and needed to be brought down a peg to be balanced.. which would throw into question pretty much every single Dronelands whine thread ever made!

Dronelands is a conspiracy I tells ya. I bet they've got more wealth in that region than anywhere else. These threads are all a cover up. It's like when US government officials talk about UFO experiences. At some point some local made a thread whining about how nerfed the income is, and the rest of locals were like, "yep.... that's what's going on here..."

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Vyl Vit
#17 - 2015-02-09 02:38:15 UTC
Could you rephrase the question? Cool

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belliar
Church Support Group
Brothers of Tangra
#18 - 2015-02-09 17:10:58 UTC
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Pok Nibin wrote:
Are you sure we're not talking "nerf" here, rather than debuff. This could become quite confusing.


Well, according to everyone, Dronelands have only gone downhill, so im sure OP means 'nerf'. 'Debuff' would mean that at some point CCP made Dronelands better.

But by saying 'debuff', maybe OP is admitting that Dronelands got love in the past, and needed to be brought down a peg to be balanced.. which would throw into question pretty much every single Dronelands whine thread ever made!

Dronelands is a conspiracy I tells ya. I bet they've got more wealth in that region than anywhere else. These threads are all a cover up. It's like when US government officials talk about UFO experiences. At some point some local made a thread whining about how nerfed the income is, and the rest of locals were like, "yep.... that's what's going on here..."


i got arround doing some more escalations from hierarchy and radiance sites.

The hierarchy escalation final site has been debuffed to 128m T2 salvage and the radiance final escalation to 90m loot.
Only a few months ago this was after nexus chips were allready introduced we had 200-300m T2 salvage loot.

I think its strange that this happend without any reporting by the devs, wich leads me to believe this was done as an accident.
It also makes running these escalations hardly worth it, 90/128m for killing lots of drones.. u sell a 10/10 bookmark while ratting a regular horde site for 100m .