Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i can't tell if you both understand that there are more OP pirate ships in this game and that the Gila and the worm both can lose 50% of its dps just by killing one drone. I mean, there exists a pirate faction with 30k scram range... Not to mention your using them wrong if you use sentries in them lol...

It ain't broke so there is no need to fix it.

Because the drone operation range bonus, and the sentry bonuses are just SO useful when using lights->heavies. And the lights and mediums don't even get the velocity and tracking bonus of the heavies.

I don't know about you, but I can count on the fingers of a quadruple amputee the number of times I have been scared of a heavy drone using Ishtar at 50+ KM.

And on the fingers of my one handed, three fingered high school shop teacher the number of times I have been scared of a close range brawling Ishtar.

Edit: given that the VNI's velocity and tracking bonuses apply to smalls and mediums as well as heavies, it would be in a far better position after sentry removal than the Ishtar.

Your info is a tad out of date, we retired them some time ago. Ishtars do most of the leg work, domi fleet are the hammer and boot fleet is godmode. All of them use sentries because they are hilariously overpowered.

This man speaks the truth!

When ships are actually balanced?
EVE doesn't have a lot of incomparable mechanics.

It would take effort but they can make tools that "fit" ships and weigh up the max damage, tanks and such they can do; then tweak them relative to the others.

... and so the power continues to creep up on frigates, destroyers and cruisers and down on others?

To deal with these in order so as not to confuse.

So they buff the snake to compensate what happens to the Domi twins?
Answer, either they are left in a nearly useless state or CCP has to take another swing at a rebalance all of which opens up multiple chances for the next OP ship to step up and take over from the Ishtar.
And all of this rebalance crap still would not address the simple fact that your changes would cripple or even destroy the Ishtar for many of the PvE roles it is used for. I wonder how you justify that when there are less drastic measures that could be tried first?

Fozzie is as Fozzie does and there is nothing that we can do about that. Beside laying all of this on Fozzie is short sighted and no doubt ignores the reality of the situation. Unless you think that everyone at CCP is so stupid and gullible that they will blindly follow where ever Fozzie leads no matter how bad it is. Personally I am sure that Fozzie and his ideas are reasonably well looked after and I think it is safe to say that if a majority of the folks at CCP thought one of his ideas was bad for the game we would not see it on TQ.

I was not aware that sub-cap ships were allowed to equip fighters simply because they are in low sec, wondering when this change happened and why it was not in the patch notes. Or was I having a Rip Van Winkle moment and slept through that part of class? No it must be a senior moment and I simply forgot that I read all about it, yeah that must be it.

With the moment of personal levity aside this comment does go a long ways to explain why you are having so many problems with the Ishtar and sentries. I mention low sec and fights and your mind immediately goes to carriers and why are these idiots not using fighters. This indicates a rather "stuck in a rut:" pattern on how to address problems and since the Ishtar / sentry is a very unique combination it takes an equally unique solution. These types of unique solutions do not often occur to those who have their minds stuck in a rut of what they have always done, and even if they do they quite often dismiss them because they do not fit into the pre-defined realm of what has worked in the past..

I said this before in a post, to handle the Ishtar think LONG range, or up close and personal.
We use cruise missile, artillery and even the Rattlesnake with fits that can hit from 100k to 150k out and go after the drones, works like a champ. Or we use hard tanked fast attack and get in so close and so fast that the sentries cannot track and hit.
In a particularity interesting twist we even use ships like the Tristan and Ishkur and use drones to kill drones it is all rather hysterical. Set yourself free, let your imagination run wild and I bet you will easily find a unique solution that works for the unique problem they call the Ishtar.

Looking back all of this noise about the Ishtar is quite like the arguments we heard about nerfs needed to the Domi when it came out of the balance pass. My how history seem to repeat itself.

Pick any ship and blob the hell out of anyone and that ship would look OP as well.

Wrong. Maelstroms, megathrons, apocs, tempest fleet issues, rattlesnakes, zealots, harpies, hawks, interceptors, celestisesseses and dreads to name but a few are popular or have been popular choices but were never considered overpowered.

Tengus are overpowered. Drakes and tracking titans were overpowered. The sentry ishtar is overpowered because the damn thing gets used everywhere from ratting in dek to small gang roaming in low sec to fleet doctrines in sov lag parties.