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Drones don't auto aggress in high-sec
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Shaqil
Duck and Cover
#1 - 2015-02-07 00:38:26 UTC
Why my drones set on aggressive don't attack suicide gankers who aggress me in high-sec? Is it because safety settings green or what?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2015-02-07 01:35:49 UTC
Nope, its because they are thick as two short planks nailed together.

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Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2015-02-07 01:43:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Nope, its because they are thick as two short planks nailed together.

Or they are really smart and switched to the winning side so as not to also become victims. Blink

Serious answer, drones rarely do what they are supposed to unless you explicitly instruct them and even then sometimes they don't do what you want.

But in reality it is irrelevant as your drones won't save you 99% of the time.

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Shaqil
Duck and Cover
#4 - 2015-02-07 02:11:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Shaqil
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Nope, its because they are thick as two short planks nailed together.

Or they are really smart and switched to the winning side so as not to also become victims. Blink

Serious answer, drones rarely do what they are supposed to unless you explicitly instruct them and even then sometimes they don't do what you want.

But in reality it is irrelevant as your drones won't save you 99% of the time.

They work with NPCs 100%. It is something with the game mechanics.
Ertur Adestur
Hek Xplo Ltd
#5 - 2015-02-07 02:29:49 UTC
Players and NPCs are very different things. A ganker is equipped specifically to kill you in 5 - 10 seconds.
Shaqil
Duck and Cover
#6 - 2015-02-07 02:35:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Shaqil
Ertur Adestur wrote:
Players and NPCs are very different things. A ganker is equipped specifically to kill you in 5 - 10 seconds.

And has modules preventing drones from autoaggressing him? I didn't ask about gankers and their equipment, I just want my drones to aggro, that's all. They used to aggress, what has changed and how can I make them to aggress?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-02-07 03:05:22 UTC
do you have the drones out before they attack you?

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Asia Leigh
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#8 - 2015-02-07 03:07:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Asia Leigh
They changed this mechanic a few patches ago. Drones will not do anything that would create a limited engagement timer even if you have your drones set to aggressive, unless you tell them specifically to do so.
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Baggo Hammers
#9 - 2015-02-07 03:10:46 UTC
Just tell em to attack.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2015-02-07 05:47:32 UTC
Asia Leigh wrote:
They changed this mechanic a few patches ago. Drones will not do anything that would create a limited engagement timer even if you have your drones set to aggressive, unless you tell them specifically to do so.

That is a good change. When I was a very new player I was in a mission and someone warped into my mission pocket and started shooting me. My drones auto aggressed him so concord never came. It took me a long time to figure out how this guy could have ganked me and not gotten concordoken.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-02-07 10:45:15 UTC
Asia Leigh wrote:
They changed this mechanic a few patches ago. Drones will not do anything that would create a limited engagement timer even if you have your drones set to aggressive, unless you tell them specifically to do so.


This.

Drones are set up to never pull any form of timer on you that makes you a legal target unless you tell them to grab that timer.

It is to prevent people from becoming a legal target without their consent.

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Joan Miles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-02-07 11:06:09 UTC
Asia Leigh wrote:
They changed this mechanic a few patches ago. Drones will not do anything that would create a limited engagement timer even if you have your drones set to aggressive, unless you tell them specifically to do so.


Didn't notice this got 'fixed'. A welcome change especially for new players. High sec pirates took advantage of this function to bait and kill you. I lost a missioning SNI in HighSec to this when I was new. Good times.. learned a thing or two.

Keep in mind that you can also legally attack ships that appear as suspect. Yellow/Blinking Yellow on your overview depending on settings. Don't engage them unless they engage you. Most times they want to be attacked. And they will kill you. Legally.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#13 - 2015-02-07 11:22:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
yeah when mobile tractors first launched your aggressive drones would Bravely defend the dame thing if someone shot at it.

the effect of this was essentially,
anyone who wanted to so shoot you simply had to shoot your mtu first,
wait for the drones to "I HEALP!" and create a limited engagement and that was about it.

one of my old corpmates lost a rattlesnake to this after i posted a corp notice, sent out a corp mail linking to the hilarious threads filled with tears and warned him personally over comms.

the sort of it is , drones need to be told explicitly what to do and what not to.

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Joan Miles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-02-07 12:15:42 UTC
All of this reminds me.. A billboard somewhere in the galaxy once said..


" Drones. They will make your ship go >This< "
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#15 - 2015-02-07 13:14:54 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Asia Leigh wrote:
They changed this mechanic a few patches ago. Drones will not do anything that would create a limited engagement timer even if you have your drones set to aggressive, unless you tell them specifically to do so.

That is a good change. When I was a very new player I was in a mission and someone warped into my mission pocket and started shooting me. My drones auto aggressed him so concord never came. It took me a long time to figure out how this guy could have ganked me and not gotten concordoken.

Are you sure you're not mistaken? If they shot at you first, CONCORD should still have arrived. If CONCORD didn't, it's likely they had some kind of legal engagement with you to begin with or in fact shot your mobile tractor unit.

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Shaqil
Duck and Cover
#16 - 2015-02-07 15:52:56 UTC
Shittest change ever. :( CCP, please, make drones engage, if I set safety settings yellow or red at least.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#17 - 2015-02-07 16:19:31 UTC
Shaqil wrote:
Shittest change ever. :( CCP, please, make drones engage, if I set safety settings yellow or red at least.

or you could just tell them to do so yourself...you know ...like the rest of us.

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Memphis Baas
#18 - 2015-02-07 16:45:00 UTC
I think his point is that he CAN'T tell them to engage, because he's in a pod, and a pod can't control drones.

It's all part of the strategy: you're looking at a gatecamp or suicide gank squad, but if you initiate combat Concord will get you, so you wait for the first shot, but the first shot kills you, and you lose the ability to control drones.

He would like the drones to aggress and kill the attackers (along with Concord) after he's been killed and podded, until the drones die in combat.
Orlacc
#19 - 2015-02-07 16:58:20 UTC
Did they pop you in one shot? What were they flying?

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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-02-07 22:48:25 UTC
Shaqil wrote:
They work with NPCs 100%. It is something with the game mechanics.

Actually they don't. It's very common for afk miners to die because the npcs aggressed them outside their drone control range before moving in. Your drones will just ignore them if they aren't within range when you are first aggressed. You can not count on the aggressive setting to keep you safe ever.

TLDR: Don't mine afk. And complaining about it here is likely to bring your more attention than you desire.

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