Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And of course this is the great debate. I personally dont believe the statement is true. I believe it can have a great effect on things, even if no shots are ever fired.

Also, docking provides 100% safety, as does logging out. So-what?
Are we to find a way for you to hunt logged out people just because you could do it on Ultima online or whatever game that actually has nothing in common with EvE? Note the key phrase "nothing in common". I mean, what if you didnt use to be a cloaky hunter in those fantasy games, but a Wizard? Imagine the hilarity of your arguments then. Now imagine how funny it still sounds to me, even though you managed to somehow find similarities between fantasy 3rd person MMOs and EVE.

And what do you mean "Pilot skill"? dont tell me youre one of those that think they have the gift of "skill" and so making them one of the blessed few that can do more than the rest of us mere mortals?

"It would take skill" means absolutely nothing, if it can be done people will learn to do it, period.

Also, I am not one to report you for tastelessness, if you cannot see it yourself, you deserve to have that name.
I wont report your "examples" either but fyi, yours is still the worst.

Celestia. Logging off is just a silly argument. You arent even in the game. As for docked. That is a limited safety. That station can change hands if it is in null space, and though you might be safe, you cant do anything. Not even proper intel.

In regards to the games I mentioned. Regardless of the genre of game, the general gameplay mechanics in a sandbox game are pretty similar. You are playing a 3rd person MMO when you play EVE. Last I saw there was no 1st person view. A sandbox is a sandbox. The rules might be different in areas, and cosmetically you might trade magic for space missiles. but overall the mechanics of one sandbox game can be compared to another to show how things can work. Not saying that is how they MUST work, but its a valid example of how it can work.

As for skill. There is a level of skill one needs to play the game in general. Learning how to do something in a game isnt exactly uncommon. Some will manage to master it faster than others but that doesnt mean that puts them at some epic level.

As for the name. A name is a name. I am not the one tossing stones over it. Sorry it bothers you.

Scanning is much more than just exploration. You're going to turn entire profession upside-down and remove whole class of ships from the game. I mentioned this several pages before, but of course you chose to ignore. You are also wrong about explorers in wormholes.



We know very well what you advocate. You said exact same thing like a hundred times. At this point I don't know whether you are trolling us or this comes out of frustration.
Either way, its not like you're going to be heard by repeating same arguments page, after page, after page.



My-way-or-no-way



And here we go all over again... after just 7 pages:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5449233#post5449233

Delegate.


You do understand that I am advocating my side of the debate. I wont be backing down from my stance. As for exploration. I am being serious when I say this. What exactly is done more than scanning down WH, combat, relic and data sites. Three of the four items cant be run unless your decloaked away.

Celestia

I know logging off is effective. I think its silly in regards to this topic. Logging off and afk cloaking arent the same. CCP has done a decent amount to limit logging off in certain situations, and given the lack of intel or anything. It also is basically a guess. There are people in game that are good enough to scan down your ship in the 30 seconds it takes to log off. So when you log in, there is a chance someone will be waiting for you.



Please try cause I can easily describe how steath in sandbox games such as AO and Shadowbane and be directly linked to cloaking in EVE. It's a very valid example of how stealth can be used an a very effective cat and mouse game.

Again with the name. If you dont like it. Report it. Otherwise stop trying to make it into a personal attack. You, as well as the rest of EVE know there are far worse names. If it would make you happy I can post with any of my other characters. Their names are Behr Oroo, Marcus Behr, and VirgoFire. I just happen to think this is name is funny. Sorry it offends you.

It does occur to me, that the aspect of cloaking referenced as being 100% safe, is not specific to AFK cloaking, but cloaking in general.

In the same manner, local acting as a form of intel warning pilots when a hostile enters the system, only really applies to sov null, as hostile potential exists in any non-allied ship commonly accepted in other areas of space.
For places where it lacks significance as an intel source, it is indeed used for chatting.

So I suggest this.

A system upgrade for sov systems in null.

It has two features, which are tied together.

Feature One, where as any corp or alliance member corp shall hold sovereignty, they shall have their local chat linked to all systems where a similar upgrade has been installed.
(For alliance member corps, they are cross linked by all in the same alliance. For Non alliance corps, the alliance defaults to having only that corp as a member, so only has the corp systems)

Feature Two, where as local in such a system is no longer specific to that system, with the possible exception that a corp or alliance holds sov nowhere else but that system, cloaking ships can be scanned down by members of the sov holding group while said cloaking ship is present in that system.

Net effect, the fewer systems a corp or alliance owns with this upgrade, the fewer systems where the local chat could be relating the presence of a hostile to be concerned over.
Larger alliances will have little to no way of knowing for certain where that hostile is located.

EDIT CLARIFICATION: The detection, under described circumstances, would be by using D-scan.
For off grid items, it would treat the ship the same as if the cloak were not active. Detection of low sig items won't be any easier than before.
For on grid items, it will add the cloaked ship to the overview for two seconds each time d-scan is 'pinged'.
If it is ctrl clicked while listed, the ship will auto ping it while attempting to lock. (MUST be in lock range)
Once locked, the cloak is disabled per any ship being target locked.

What you basically have is a whole profession turned upside down. For example, before you deploy probes you want to have some basic idea where the targets might be. You have d-scan for that. But wait... you not going to narrow down anything with d-scan because you need to keep warping. To scan certain targets you want to use expensive implant sets. But you not going to bring them to some half-baked race that you image. What race by the way, when you don't know which of the opponent ships might be the scanner that goes after you? Basically you will have a comedy where ships that are supposed to do scanning for fleet will instead focus on avoiding being scanned by each other.
You see, CCP gave covops frigs a covops cloak and at the same time a 50% bonus to probe strength. They also let ships operate probes when cloaked (except for deploying). But why would you understand this design when you confuse scanning with exploration?

Why wouldn't I bring implants to a comedy race that will end-up with them being destroyed every other day?
Time and again you show you know nothing about scanning let alone covops.



You do realize that among scanning ships you have stuff like strategic cruisers? Are you going to redo them in your quest for "all-blue-all-safe sov" button? What about offensive covops, say bombers - what if I constantly keep probes around my fleet to spot them when they warp to my grid? Why didn't I read anything about such issues from you?
You have no idea about consequences of your proposal.

What if I tell you that your idea was proposed almost six years ago:

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1049216

and then repeated many times, for example:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=55451
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=245519
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=372866

but CCP ignored these requests?

Flagging someone as AFK is an assumption based on non input only stationary non movement no key push assessments and would only be valid if they were actually afk and not watching something or someone waiting patiently to strike, gtfo or call friends. I understand your suggestion and still say you are wrong to flag anyone afk. Remember Miner Bumping? Bump the miner far enough away from his roid that he can't mine anymore...this is an afk person or just someone watching to see what descends before calling his friends in to help. In real time there is no way short of hacking someone's webcam to see them not at their keyboard to actually tell if they are afk and I recommend not doing that as it breaks laws some people hold sacred.

The same answer, you cannot cyno in a huge amount of forces into a WH, you can of course bring them in via a hole but there is limits to mass which you don't have on cynos which is why WH play has to seed the attacking ships over a period of time to attack the HQ holes of the larger corps, which is of course fun and has risks involved in doing that. In normal space its instant.

You ignore that issue like so many and just chant remove local like some religious faith based concept that normal space with known connections such as gates, instant drop mechanisms such as cyno's and instant intel on activities on the map will be just like WH space, you dream...