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CSM Minutes - CCP dont you screw up the chimera

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#61 - 2015-02-04 18:43:11 UTC
Khan Wrenth wrote:
Rawketsled wrote:
Originally, the Merlin had Hybrid AND missiles. The Hawk/Harpy AF progression was just specialisation into one or the other. They diverged when they progressed from T1 to T2.

Then along came the T1 frigate re-work and the Merlin became hybrid-only.

I won't comment about the Incursus as I was only new to Eve and didn't fly Gallente at the time.


In summary: the AF models are right, and it's perfectly conceivable that they're going to stay that way. There's honestly no need to be shocked.


Ah, see, that's interesting. I suppose being a predominantly missile race, the Caldari Merlin also having missiles in years past makes sense. See, I knew there had to be a story behind this. Perhaps a similar situation came about from the Incursus.

However, I disagree on your use of present-tense "AF models are right", as right now they are incorrect. It's just that they were originally correct but never updated whenever that change/update happened. It may be conceivable that they might stay that way, but I would certainly hope not since continuing to do something wrong just because "effort" does not invoke confidence.

I'm not saying that correcting the AF models should even be a high priority. But they do have an art team that decided something had to be done with the Blackbird model, and they're spoken of as an independent entity from the development/balancing teams, so eventually correcting the AF models issue shouldn't interfere with the game. Just a, "Oh hey, we've got three ship models in the queue for re-doing, then we'll correct these AF's, then we've got other models/update things/etc", would be nice.

Lastly, I remember seeing a badass redesign of the Dominix some time ago. I can't wait to see the finished product eventually hit TQ.


I think this will likely be taken care of when all of the T2 versions of ships get their own distinct hulls. The only question is which T1 hull it will resemble more.

Also keep in mind that in a situation where (for example) the Incursus got it's face lift over all 3 hulls in the line, that was really only a final change to the base hull. The T2 hulls based on it's design will still receive distinctive hulls.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#62 - 2015-02-04 19:32:53 UTC
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2015-02-04 19:39:48 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
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I have a great idea. How about we get the Dominix model updated? Given that we were shown it almost a YEAR ago, and have heard nothing since, apart from CSM Mike bringing it up.. But no actual answer as to if/when to expect the change. Why bother showing us a new mockup if there are no plans to do anything?

In the same vein, why bother adding in the new Skins to Ships updates ago, then never seed them? The Kronos comes to mind. What's the point in making them all if you never get to use them.. I mean it was one (HIGHLY Annoying) thing when you did it with clothes, but now with ships/skins that can be seen in game but never are available?



Honestly I'm all for updating the ships.. They all can use a tweak here and there.. Some should just be redesigned from the ground up *cough Osprey cough* others just could use an update to the model to give them the detail the new ships have *cough Thorax cough*. But if you're gonna do it, start with the ones you've already shown/talked about, then setup a progression for what ships are getting looked at when so people can have their feedback. I mean I, for one, like the Chimera.. updated model might be nice, but no need to any drastic changes. Likewise, last year I saw the Domi design, same time as we saw the new Moa and Mordu's designs.. It got my hopes up, as it was damn nice.. Then nothing. We ask and ask, even CSM Mike asked during the minutes, and no answers, explanations, eta's.
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#64 - 2015-02-04 20:42:23 UTC
Khan Wrenth wrote:
Ah, see, that's interesting. I suppose being a predominantly missile race, the Caldari Merlin also having missiles in years past makes sense. See, I knew there had to be a story behind this. Perhaps a similar situation came about from the Incursus.

However, I disagree on your use of present-tense "AF models are right", as right now they are incorrect. It's just that they were originally correct but never updated whenever that change/update happened. It may be conceivable that they might stay that way, but I would certainly hope not since continuing to do something wrong just because "effort" does not invoke confidence.

I'm not saying that correcting the AF models should even be a high priority. But they do have an art team that decided something had to be done with the Blackbird model, and they're spoken of as an independent entity from the development/balancing teams, so eventually correcting the AF models issue shouldn't interfere with the game. Just a, "Oh hey, we've got three ship models in the queue for re-doing, then we'll correct these AF's, then we've got other models/update things/etc", would be nice.

You'd be right about AF models being wrong now, but that line of reasoning looks a bit shakey when looking at the Onyx and the Sacrilege.

Moa-Onyx progression is hybrids to missiles.

Maller-Sacrilege progression is lasers to missiles.

I could be mistaken, but neither of those T1 hulls had missile racks that weren't utility slots.

There's also the Executioner-Malediction and Punisher-Vengeance progressions to consider too. All these Amarr ones are from Khanid, who are the missile Amarrians. I think it's best to stop looking at the hull, and start looking at the manufacturer. It makes more sense that way.
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2015-02-04 23:07:45 UTC
Rawketsled wrote:
I think it's best to stop looking at the hull, and start looking at the manufacturer. It makes more sense that way.

Indeed. Also, the T2 Kestrel already exists, it's the sexist ship in Eve, the Manticore.

But I will like it when progressions are all like that. I mean you look at the Manticore, you see it's inspired by the Kestrel, but it's truely unique. Not just a new paint job. Even the Moa --> Onyx/Eagle.. Similar, but still different. Also, on a side note, CCP, PLEASE give the Gila the engines off the Onyx.. Seeing as how they are both missile boats, and how sexy those engines are :D
Meloni HELL
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2015-02-04 23:57:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Meloni HELL
I'll be happy with things, so long as Minmitar ships retain the Fin/sails. They are important lorewise (Ladar system uses them for science and engineering things).

Maybe base the rupture on something other than a Nailgun?

Great job on the exeq/oneiros hull btw - Looks fantastic! I love the smooth almost organic surfaces on it. Although - the oneiros doesn't have the armour repair amps from the picture http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/66780/1/ExequrorHullRedesign.jpg
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2015-02-05 01:13:48 UTC
Oh, gods, please don't change my Ferox, too much....

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Tyranis Marcus
Bloody Heathens
#68 - 2015-02-05 04:19:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyranis Marcus
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
CCP Darwin wrote:
Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:
Good, can't wait to have the Sleipnir back in the Cyclone hull. It is just looking rubbish and wrong in the Hurricane hull.


Sorry, but this won't be changing back. I liked the version based on the Cyclone hull too, but the idea is that ships with the same hull have similar weapon bonuses.

Tristan-hulled Ishkur confirmed! Hype intensifies!

Just kidding. Maybe.

(I wish...)


Oh god no!

Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Oh, gods, please don't change my Ferox, too much....


A few years back, when the Ferox still had those awful uneven fins in the back (glad they got rid of those), the front was just a bit fatter and more intimidating looking. It was almost belligerent looking. I don't know how else to explain it, but that old front-end shape was more bad-ass. I wish they'd bring that bit back.

Do not run. We are your friends.

Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#69 - 2015-02-05 20:26:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Soldarius
Phoenix needs giant wings with giant launchers that spew tongues of burning fire across space to engulf the State's enemies; incinerating them in an inferno of flaming death!

http://youtu.be/XchwE9zVdnw

Yeah. And um.... more fire.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#70 - 2015-02-05 23:30:00 UTC
Sniper Smith wrote:
Also, on a side note, CCP, PLEASE give the Gila the engines off the Onyx.. Seeing as how they are both missile boats, and how sexy those engines are :D

I never realized how much I wanted this-

Pirate ships would do well to be at least slightly different, hull-wise, from empire counterparts if they have one. I would love to see the Gila get those engines Big smile
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2015-02-06 04:37:08 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
what Dominix redesign?


By massive coincidence, someone just re-posted the link over in Ships & Modules, making the process of finding said link extremely easy.

http://www.evemanufacturing.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/dominix-fanfest-redesign.png

I think it looks pretty cool, personally. It retains the classic look and theme while still being a nice facelift.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#72 - 2015-02-06 19:13:18 UTC
That's totally fake, man. How long has it been since it was released.
CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#73 - 2015-02-06 20:17:54 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Darwin
Sniper Smith wrote:
CCP Darwin wrote:
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How about we get the Dominix model updated? Given that we were shown it almost a YEAR ago, and have heard nothing since, apart from CSM Mike bringing it up.. But no actual answer as to if/when to expect the change.


The Dominix redesign is still coming at some point, but what's happened since Fanfest last year is that a lot of other work took priority over it. Work like introducing PBR, the upcoming PBR texture and shader update pass, the updated Blackbird/Falcon/Rook models, the T3 tactical destroyers, new NPC designs like the Circadian Seeker, plus a schedule of upcoming game assets that I'm not prepared to reveal just yet.

EVE's flying-in-space graphics and art team, Team TriLambda, has been booked solid for several months now, and priorities are continually reassessed based on other teams' requests, our own desires for what we'd like to see changed, and ultimately what we can do to make EVE look the best.

The reason nobody's come up with a firm answer on when the new Dominix is coming is that we aren't sure yet when we'll be able to fit it in. That said, there will be a slew of other art improvements in the upcoming releases, such that there won't be any ambiguity about what we've been doing instead.

CCP Darwin  •  Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online  •  @mark_wilkins

Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2015-02-06 20:47:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Nariya Kentaya
CCP Darwin wrote:
Sniper Smith wrote:
CCP Darwin wrote:
...
How about we get the Dominix model updated? Given that we were shown it almost a YEAR ago, and have heard nothing since, apart from CSM Mike bringing it up.. But no actual answer as to if/when to expect the change.


The Dominix redesign is still coming at some point, but what's happened since Fanfest last year is that a lot of other work took priority over it. Work like introducing PBR, the upcoming PBR texture and shader update pass, the updated Blackbird/Falcon/Rook models, the T3 tactical destroyers, new NPC designs like the Circadian Sleeper, plus a schedule of upcoming game assets that I'm not prepared to reveal just yet.

EVE's flying-in-space graphics and art team, Team TriLambda, has been booked solid for several months now, and priorities are continually reassessed based on other teams' requests, our own desires for what we'd like to see changed, and ultimately what we can do to make EVE look the best.

The reason nobody's come up with a firm answer on when the new Dominix is coming is that we aren't sure yet when we'll be able to fit it in. That said, there will be a slew of other art improvements in the upcoming releases, such that there won't be any ambiguity about what we've been doing instead.

You guys need to ahve the whole art team locked in their office(s) for 2 days with no sustenance except a large supply of beer, tell them in those 2 days they must both finish the beer and design a new ship for a easter egg NPC

this NPC will be for nothing more than popping up in random belts in nullsec to bother the locals, maybe make silly posts in local, or postng the targets ship/location in region chat
*edit* i say this because, despite the massive amount of work they are doing and accomplishing, i desperately want to see how alcohol effects their ability to perform, as the great DaVinci once said "The quality of an artist can be seen while totally smashed"
CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#75 - 2015-02-06 21:02:05 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
You guys need to ahve the whole art team locked in their office(s) for 2 days with no sustenance except a large supply of beer


Now we're onto an idea I can get behind.

CCP Darwin  •  Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online  •  @mark_wilkins

Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2015-02-06 23:14:53 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
The Dominix redesign is still coming at some point, but what's happened since Fanfest last year is that a lot of other work took priority over it. Work like introducing PBR, the upcoming PBR texture and shader update pass, the updated Blackbird/Falcon/Rook models, the T3 tactical destroyers, new NPC designs like the Circadian Seeker, plus a schedule of upcoming game assets that I'm not prepared to reveal just yet.

EVE's flying-in-space graphics and art team, Team TriLambda, has been booked solid for several months now, and priorities are continually reassessed based on other teams' requests, our own desires for what we'd like to see changed, and ultimately what we can do to make EVE look the best.

The reason nobody's come up with a firm answer on when the new Dominix is coming is that we aren't sure yet when we'll be able to fit it in. That said, there will be a slew of other art improvements in the upcoming releases, such that there won't be any ambiguity about what we've been doing instead.

First, I'd like to thank you for an answer :) As far as I've seen, you're the first CCP Dev to acknowledge the Domi Redesign since shortly after it was shown :) Every time it was mentioned by a player (Or even CSM in the minutes) it wasn't addressed.

This is what I was looking for, just someone to say we haven't forgot about it. I for one can fully accept that other things bumped it down the priority. Though I'd still of rathered it over the Blackbird :p Sexy Domi is Sexy :D
I've seen some of the other work.. Drifter Battleship and the Jove Stations.. Can't wait to see them in game.

Anyway, thanks again for a response :) As long as we know it's still on the Agenda, even if it's not the first item :)


Also, I agree, lock you guys in with beer.. more beer will be provided as more work is done :D
CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#77 - 2015-02-07 00:16:12 UTC
Sniper Smith wrote:
Every time it was mentioned by a player (Or even CSM in the minutes) it wasn't addressed.

As you know from the minutes, I was in the room for the CSM session. It was clearly stated in the room that the Dominix is still on our list of upcoming redesigns and had been omitted from the presentation slide by mistake. (In fact, it was added to the slide in real time as it was brought up!)

The notes meant to make clear that it's still coming, but unfortunately the wording may have left it more ambiguous than we intended at the time.

Quote:
Also, I agree, lock you guys in with beer.. more beer will be provided as more work is done :D

It's on.

CCP Darwin  •  Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online  •  @mark_wilkins

d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#78 - 2015-03-13 04:09:50 UTC
So... any news on the redesigned chimera? It's such an iconic ship, i'm curious to see what CCP does with it!

Been around since the beginning.

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#79 - 2015-03-13 04:25:54 UTC
Any hint on what we might be able to expect in Scylla?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Niobe Song
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2015-03-13 05:07:02 UTC
d0cTeR9 wrote:
So... any news on the redesigned chimera? It's such an iconic ship, i'm curious to see what CCP does with it!


Since the Chimera is already a really attractive ship I would hope it is not a priority while there are so many hideous ships left to fix. But the art department seems to just work on whatever they are in the mood for (as artists are want to do) so I'm sure the next redesign will be something totally random.

But IMO Cruisers should be the priority. They are one of the most used ship classes and overall have some of the ugliest models.