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Hanger (Sort By - Estimated Price - High/Low)

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Kabark
Schilden
#1 - 2015-02-05 23:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Kabark
Going through all my stuff in Jita trying to figure out what to sell and what to reprocess, it occurred to me that it would be much easier to navigate my personal assets to add a "sort by" option for "Estimated Price - High/Low." Just my thought.
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2015-02-05 23:49:31 UTC
Use filters to find the valuable items. It doesn't work per stack value (which would be nice) but does work per item value.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Kabark
Schilden
#3 - 2015-02-05 23:53:00 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Use filters to find the valuable items. It doesn't work per stack value (which would be nice) but does work per item value.

Ya and that takes forever especially if you have a ton of items and don't know what you have. When I look at the bottom right of my station inventory and see 150m worth of stuff but have no idea what I have that is worth money. So I have to scroll through each line and muscle through all of my items to find out what is valuable. A sort by estimated price option would make life a lot easier =)
Kabark
Schilden
#4 - 2015-02-06 17:32:07 UTC
This is a really easy thing to implement. Just add another parameter for the sorting option and link it to the regional market.
Iain Cariaba
#5 - 2015-02-06 17:37:17 UTC
Kabark wrote:
This is a really easy thing to implement. Just add another parameter for the sorting option and link it to the regional market.

You know this how? You've seen the alledged giant spagetti monster that is EvE code?

Gotta love the people who are always like, "this is sooooo easy, do it!!!!" when they really have no idea.

Also, no. Just takes a few minutes to dig through your stuff, especially when you use filters, to dig through your stuff to find what's valuable.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#6 - 2015-02-06 17:43:38 UTC
est price is useless, ill go to a trade station and itll show something with a high price and when I go to sell it or view market details it really goes for 5k....so I question what it uses for estimates

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Kabark
Schilden
#7 - 2015-02-06 18:10:35 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Kabark wrote:
This is a really easy thing to implement. Just add another parameter for the sorting option and link it to the regional market.

You know this how? You've seen the alledged giant spagetti monster that is EvE code?

Gotta love the people who are always like, "this is sooooo easy, do it!!!!" when they really have no idea.

Also, no. Just takes a few minutes to dig through your stuff, especially when you use filters, to dig through your stuff to find what's valuable.

There are always the nay sayers. How can you say a simple addition (I say simple because I can write a sorting option in excell in about 5 minutes or notepad HTML in about 60 seconds.) to sort through items valued off the regional market is a bad thing? And the filter option is only useful when you are looking for a specific thing. But what happens when you have several though sand items to scroll through and filter out? I also say link the sorting option through the regional market or better yet, the entire market to provide consistency. I already explained the use of this sorting option over the filter in a previous post, gotta love people that don't read. When I have 500 items from missions and salvage and only want to sell the highest priced ones and repro the rest, I don't have to "right click-market orders" or scroll over each and every item. But of course if you want to do it the hard way, by all means sit in Jita for a couple hours running filters.
Kabark
Schilden
#8 - 2015-02-06 18:13:34 UTC
Agondray wrote:
est price is useless, ill go to a trade station and itll show something with a high price and when I go to sell it or view market details it really goes for 5k....so I question what it uses for estimates

The estimated prices of items are just that, estimated meaning a best guess. If you want a good value on your stuff, don't sell your items in a backwater station with T1 frigs being sold for 10m.
Iain Cariaba
#9 - 2015-02-06 18:21:39 UTC
Kabark wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Kabark wrote:
This is a really easy thing to implement. Just add another parameter for the sorting option and link it to the regional market.

You know this how? You've seen the alledged giant spagetti monster that is EvE code?

Gotta love the people who are always like, "this is sooooo easy, do it!!!!" when they really have no idea.

Also, no. Just takes a few minutes to dig through your stuff, especially when you use filters, to dig through your stuff to find what's valuable.

There are always the nay sayers. How can you say a simple addition (I say simple because I can write a sorting option in excell in about 5 minutes or notepad HTML in about 60 seconds.) to sort through items valued off the regional market is a bad thing? And the filter option is only useful when you are looking for a specific thing. But what happens when you have several though sand items to scroll through and filter out? I also say link the sorting option through the regional market or better yet, the entire market to provide consistency. I already explained the use of this sorting option over the filter in a previous post, gotta love people that don't read. When I have 500 items from missions and salvage and only want to sell the highest priced ones and repro the rest, I don't have to "right click-market orders" or scroll over each and every item. But of course if you want to do it the hard way, by all means sit in Jita for a couple hours running filters.

Regardless of how easily you think this would be to implement, your idea still boils down to, "but... but... that requires effort." 500 items looted from missions takes about 2 minutes to sort through, if you know what you're looking for. Pay attention to what you're selling, and seperate that stuff first. Once the stuff you always sell is sorted out, as long as your tooltip time isn't set to a long time, you can sort the rest in just a minute or so. Your idea does nothing that actually paying attention to what you're doing doesn't already do just as well, if not better.
Kabark
Schilden
#10 - 2015-02-06 18:35:00 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Kabark wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Kabark wrote:
This is a really easy thing to implement. Just add another parameter for the sorting option and link it to the regional market.

You know this how? You've seen the alledged giant spagetti monster that is EvE code?

Gotta love the people who are always like, "this is sooooo easy, do it!!!!" when they really have no idea.

Also, no. Just takes a few minutes to dig through your stuff, especially when you use filters, to dig through your stuff to find what's valuable.

There are always the nay sayers. How can you say a simple addition (I say simple because I can write a sorting option in excell in about 5 minutes or notepad HTML in about 60 seconds.) to sort through items valued off the regional market is a bad thing? And the filter option is only useful when you are looking for a specific thing. But what happens when you have several though sand items to scroll through and filter out? I also say link the sorting option through the regional market or better yet, the entire market to provide consistency. I already explained the use of this sorting option over the filter in a previous post, gotta love people that don't read. When I have 500 items from missions and salvage and only want to sell the highest priced ones and repro the rest, I don't have to "right click-market orders" or scroll over each and every item. But of course if you want to do it the hard way, by all means sit in Jita for a couple hours running filters.

Regardless of how easily you think this would be to implement, your idea still boils down to, "but... but... that requires effort." 500 items looted from missions takes about 2 minutes to sort through, if you know what you're looking for. Pay attention to what you're selling, and seperate that stuff first. Once the stuff you always sell is sorted out, as long as your tooltip time isn't set to a long time, you can sort the rest in just a minute or so. Your idea does nothing that actually paying attention to what you're doing doesn't already do just as well, if not better.

So in your reasoning, there should be no more updates to EVE at all because it all takes effort. Look, Consider people who don't have a strong grasp of the filter options. I personally have somewhere around 750 different items in my hanger in Jita. The estimated value of all those items is 310m but I have no idea what items are worth money and what are junk because I only go to Jita to drop off my loot and head back out. No I do not want to filter out each type of item and module then have to scroll through each one to find the prices. Your solution is still back to square one of looking through each and every item save for I filter out a handful at a time. I want to sort all by estimated prices from high to low and see everything in accordance with the regional market and make my sales there. You want everyone to do things the hard way and no, "don't run when you can walk, don't walk when you can sit, don't sit when you can lay down, and don't lay down when you can sleep."
Iain Cariaba
#11 - 2015-02-06 18:56:53 UTC
Kabark wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Kabark wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Kabark wrote:
This is a really easy thing to implement. Just add another parameter for the sorting option and link it to the regional market.

You know this how? You've seen the alledged giant spagetti monster that is EvE code?

Gotta love the people who are always like, "this is sooooo easy, do it!!!!" when they really have no idea.

Also, no. Just takes a few minutes to dig through your stuff, especially when you use filters, to dig through your stuff to find what's valuable.

There are always the nay sayers. How can you say a simple addition (I say simple because I can write a sorting option in excell in about 5 minutes or notepad HTML in about 60 seconds.) to sort through items valued off the regional market is a bad thing? And the filter option is only useful when you are looking for a specific thing. But what happens when you have several though sand items to scroll through and filter out? I also say link the sorting option through the regional market or better yet, the entire market to provide consistency. I already explained the use of this sorting option over the filter in a previous post, gotta love people that don't read. When I have 500 items from missions and salvage and only want to sell the highest priced ones and repro the rest, I don't have to "right click-market orders" or scroll over each and every item. But of course if you want to do it the hard way, by all means sit in Jita for a couple hours running filters.

Regardless of how easily you think this would be to implement, your idea still boils down to, "but... but... that requires effort." 500 items looted from missions takes about 2 minutes to sort through, if you know what you're looking for. Pay attention to what you're selling, and seperate that stuff first. Once the stuff you always sell is sorted out, as long as your tooltip time isn't set to a long time, you can sort the rest in just a minute or so. Your idea does nothing that actually paying attention to what you're doing doesn't already do just as well, if not better.

So in your reasoning, there should be no more updates to EVE at all because it all takes effort. Look, Consider people who don't have a strong grasp of the filter options. I personally have somewhere around 750 different items in my hanger in Jita. The estimated value of all those items is 310m but I have no idea what items are worth money and what are junk because I only go to Jita to drop off my loot and head back out. No I do not want to filter out each type of item and module then have to scroll through each one to find the prices. Your solution is still back to square one of looking through each and every item save for I filter out a handful at a time. I want to sort all by estimated prices from high to low and see everything in accordance with the regional market and make my sales there. You want everyone to do things the hard way and no, "don't run when you can walk, don't walk when you can sit, don't sit when you can lay down, and don't lay down when you can sleep."

Yeah, sure. Let's have no more updates at all, just because I think you should have to make a decision, as opposed to having everything hand fed to you like every other theme park MMO. Roll Please.

All you have to do is pay attention to the actions you're making, and you can run through your loot rather quick. Your 750 items in Jita is entirely your own fault, by your own admission. You let the crap you picked up in missions build and build until you don't want to have to sort it all out, and now you want CCP to code you a way to make the most isk off your own laziness. I have not ever, do not now, and will never support this kind of idea. Had you taken less than two minutes every time you hit Jita to sort through your loot, you wouldn't have the issue you're having now. You made the choice to let it all pile up, so now you deal with the consequences.
Gawain Edmond
Khanid Bureau of Industry
#12 - 2015-02-06 19:03:42 UTC
so you only want to sell the valuble stuff?

add filters > Estimated unit price > Greater than > set a price > sell all the stuff that shows up > reprocess everything else

but since the reprocessing nerf you're always better off selling the mod instead of melting it down for minerals just dump it all on the market and wait for it to sell
Kabark
Schilden
#13 - 2015-02-06 20:03:19 UTC
@Iain Cariaba
In case you haven't noticed, CCP is in the process and has been for a while now to improve the learning curve of EVE to keep more players. But let's play it your way. Allow jetcan baiting in starter systems again, get rid of WH space, and completely remove the ISIS and tutorial system. Also remove wardecs and T3 ships because we didn't have those when we started playing and everyone else should have to grind through the suck like we did. Let's make the game like it was back in 06. I don't think CCP would like losing half their player base because of your elitist epeen complex. Why don't you stop playing EVE and go to a text based game since you're such a hard core player.
Iain Cariaba
#14 - 2015-02-06 20:41:53 UTC
Kabark wrote:
@Iain Cariaba
In case you haven't noticed, CCP is in the process and has been for a while now to improve the learning curve of EVE to keep more players. But let's play it your way. Allow jetcan baiting in starter systems again, get rid of WH space, and completely remove the ISIS and tutorial system. Also remove wardecs and T3 ships because we didn't have those when we started playing and everyone else should have to grind through the suck like we did. Let's make the game like it was back in 06. I don't think CCP would like losing half their player base because of your elitist epeen complex. Why don't you stop playing EVE and go to a text based game since you're such a hard core player.

LolLolLolLolLolLolLol

I knew it wouldn't be long til you came back with, "But it's for the new players." Always happens with bad ideas. Lol

  • Jetcan baiting is intentionally targeting those players who cannot know better specifically because they do not know better. Learning how to properly dig through your loot, so you can do it faster, does not compare
  • W-space generates content. Your idea generates no content.
  • ISIS is a learning aid for those who want to know what the various ships are capable of. Your idea actually removes the necessity of learning as a way to make isk more efficiently.
  • The tutorial system is there to educate new players on how to play the game, and in no way compares to your idea to remove a need to learn something from the game.
  • Like wormholes, wardecs and t3s generate content. How does your idea actually generate content?
  • Just because I pointed out that you came up with a selfishly bad idea, how does that even suggest that I think anything you opted to rebut with is a good idea? How did I, in any way, suggest we should go back to '06.
  • Elitist epeen complex? Just because I've taken the time to learn the various nuances of how this game works, and expect others to do the same, I have an elitist epeen complex? If disagreeing with every single idea that gets thrown out simply because the poster doesn't want to educate themselves on how to do something efficiently, instead wants CCP to code them something to cure their own laziness, then sure, I'll take that label.
  • As far as CCP losing half their playerbase, show me one single example of someone leaving the game because your idea hasn't already been implemented. Show me one rage quitting thread anywhere online where the poster quit EvE because they couldn't sort their inventory by price.
  • FYI, the Discworld MUD is still fun to play, even after being up for 24 years. It simply proves that a solid core of gamers can keep a game alive after all theme park players have moved to the latest theme park.
Kabark
Schilden
#15 - 2015-02-07 02:16:33 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Kabark wrote:
@Iain Cariaba
In case you haven't noticed, CCP is in the process and has been for a while now to improve the learning curve of EVE to keep more players. But let's play it your way. Allow jetcan baiting in starter systems again, get rid of WH space, and completely remove the ISIS and tutorial system. Also remove wardecs and T3 ships because we didn't have those when we started playing and everyone else should have to grind through the suck like we did. Let's make the game like it was back in 06. I don't think CCP would like losing half their player base because of your elitist epeen complex. Why don't you stop playing EVE and go to a text based game since you're such a hard core player.

LolLolLolLolLolLolLol

I knew it wouldn't be long til you came back with, "But it's for the new players." Always happens with bad ideas. Lol

  • Jetcan baiting is intentionally targeting those players who cannot know better specifically because they do not know better. Learning how to properly dig through your loot, so you can do it faster, does not compare
  • W-space generates content. Your idea generates no content.
  • ISIS is a learning aid for those who want to know what the various ships are capable of. Your idea actually removes the necessity of learning as a way to make isk more efficiently.
  • The tutorial system is there to educate new players on how to play the game, and in no way compares to your idea to remove a need to learn something from the game.
  • Like wormholes, wardecs and t3s generate content. How does your idea actually generate content?
  • Just because I pointed out that you came up with a selfishly bad idea, how does that even suggest that I think anything you opted to rebut with is a good idea? How did I, in any way, suggest we should go back to '06.
  • Elitist epeen complex? Just because I've taken the time to learn the various nuances of how this game works, and expect others to do the same, I have an elitist epeen complex? If disagreeing with every single idea that gets thrown out simply because the poster doesn't want to educate themselves on how to do something efficiently, instead wants CCP to code them something to cure their own laziness, then sure, I'll take that label.
  • As far as CCP losing half their playerbase, show me one single example of someone leaving the game because your idea hasn't already been implemented. Show me one rage quitting thread anywhere online where the poster quit EvE because they couldn't sort their inventory by price.
  • FYI, the Discworld MUD is still fun to play, even after being up for 24 years. It simply proves that a solid core of gamers can keep a game alive after all theme park players have moved to the latest theme park.

Flamers always exist just to bash an idea for no other reason than to bash it for the lulz. You would do well in CFC or CODE or as a Jita scammer for that matter. The fact that you think making inventory sorting easier is a bad thing then you are just trolling. There is not a single solid reason you can give that would counter the benefit of having an addition sorting option. Do you know what Singularity is? Do you have any idea what you had to do to run SISI before they came out with the easy download? I am not going to troll the test server pages saying that a universal downloader for singularity is a bad thing because I had to juggle files and set IP targets and therefore everyone else should have to do it nor will I claim that it "makes them better at computers to know how to set those files." And for the jetcan baiting, why do you think CCP banned it in starter systems? Why do you think ISIS was made? Why was the tutorial system improved? Stop being a douche because you "had to do it the hard way and everyone else should too." Ok you're a bad ass and had to fit your ship in binary code and PVP with a graphing calculator, who cares? I've looked at your posts and almost all of them are bashing everyone's ideas. How about you do everyone a favor and get off the forums. You aren't helping, giving advice, or ideas, you are just trolling. I am surprised you haven't said L2P yet.
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#16 - 2015-02-07 07:40:13 UTC
I feel this thread needs locked. A little to much heat in the first page.

Filters are a great thing
I have one for DED/faction etc.
One that uses eat to find worthless junk and another to find stuff at 100k isk min.

Please learn how to use the tools we have first. Then offer thoughts on making things better.
Personally I enjoy the filers as they are. As well as the sorting. (Could use some improvement but other things are more important)

"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1

#NPCLivesMatter #Freetheboobs
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#17 - 2015-02-07 07:52:20 UTC
Kabark wrote:
There are always the nay sayers. How can you say a simple addition (I say simple because I can write a sorting option in excell in about 5 minutes or notepad HTML in about 60 seconds.) to sort through items valued off the regional market is a bad thing? And the filter option is only useful when you are looking for a specific thing. But what happens when you have several though sand items to scroll through and filter out? I also say link the sorting option through the regional market or better yet, the entire market to provide consistency. I already explained the use of this sorting option over the filter in a previous post, gotta love people that don't read. When I have 500 items from missions and salvage and only want to sell the highest priced ones and repro the rest, I don't have to "right click-market orders" or scroll over each and every item. But of course if you want to do it the hard way, by all means sit in Jita for a couple hours running filters.


So just create a filter for everything over some arbitrary value. I make extensive use of this in various contexts and the threshold is different for different uses: sometimes I only want to see things worth more than 1mil, sometimes it's more like 25mil. It's dead simple to set up.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2015-02-07 08:32:56 UTC
This problem is only apply to nrw players or those who cba to check the data.

If u talking only about 150m of est inventory i just offer to sell everything u won't lose much if not reprocess. If we are talking about hundreds of items worth of billions than u better do some homework and sort mods by categories and store them in a separate station containers. Meanwhile make a contract of all ur stuff to your alt or either corp and use evepraisal to check the prices.

o/

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Iain Cariaba
#19 - 2015-02-07 17:16:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Iain Cariaba
Kabark wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Kabark wrote:
@Iain Cariaba
In case you haven't noticed, CCP is in the process and has been for a while now to improve the learning curve of EVE to keep more players. But let's play it your way. Allow jetcan baiting in starter systems again, get rid of WH space, and completely remove the ISIS and tutorial system. Also remove wardecs and T3 ships because we didn't have those when we started playing and everyone else should have to grind through the suck like we did. Let's make the game like it was back in 06. I don't think CCP would like losing half their player base because of your elitist epeen complex. Why don't you stop playing EVE and go to a text based game since you're such a hard core player.

LolLolLolLolLolLolLol

I knew it wouldn't be long til you came back with, "But it's for the new players." Always happens with bad ideas. Lol

  • Jetcan baiting is intentionally targeting those players who cannot know better specifically because they do not know better. Learning how to properly dig through your loot, so you can do it faster, does not compare
  • W-space generates content. Your idea generates no content.
  • ISIS is a learning aid for those who want to know what the various ships are capable of. Your idea actually removes the necessity of learning as a way to make isk more efficiently.
  • The tutorial system is there to educate new players on how to play the game, and in no way compares to your idea to remove a need to learn something from the game.
  • Like wormholes, wardecs and t3s generate content. How does your idea actually generate content?
  • Just because I pointed out that you came up with a selfishly bad idea, how does that even suggest that I think anything you opted to rebut with is a good idea? How did I, in any way, suggest we should go back to '06.
  • Elitist epeen complex? Just because I've taken the time to learn the various nuances of how this game works, and expect others to do the same, I have an elitist epeen complex? If disagreeing with every single idea that gets thrown out simply because the poster doesn't want to educate themselves on how to do something efficiently, instead wants CCP to code them something to cure their own laziness, then sure, I'll take that label.
  • As far as CCP losing half their playerbase, show me one single example of someone leaving the game because your idea hasn't already been implemented. Show me one rage quitting thread anywhere online where the poster quit EvE because they couldn't sort their inventory by price.
  • FYI, the Discworld MUD is still fun to play, even after being up for 24 years. It simply proves that a solid core of gamers can keep a game alive after all theme park players have moved to the latest theme park.

Flamers always exist just to bash an idea for no other reason than to bash it for the lulz. You would do well in CFC or CODE or as a Jita scammer for that matter. The fact that you think making inventory sorting easier is a bad thing then you are just trolling. There is not a single solid reason you can give that would counter the benefit of having an addition sorting option. Do you know what Singularity is? Do you have any idea what you had to do to run SISI before they came out with the easy download? I am not going to troll the test server pages saying that a universal downloader for singularity is a bad thing because I had to juggle files and set IP targets and therefore everyone else should have to do it nor will I claim that it "makes them better at computers to know how to set those files." And for the jetcan baiting, why do you think CCP banned it in starter systems? Why do you think ISIS was made? Why was the tutorial system improved? Stop being a douche because you "had to do it the hard way and everyone else should too." Ok you're a bad ass and had to fit your ship in binary code and PVP with a graphing calculator, who cares? I've looked at your posts and almost all of them are bashing everyone's ideas. How about you do everyone a favor and get off the forums. You aren't helping, giving advice, or ideas, you are just trolling. I am surprised you haven't said L2P yet.

When an idea will no longer stand on its own merits, go after the ones saying it's a bad idea.

Usually follows the "Think of the Newbies," argument in most bad idea threads.

If you want to argue the merits of your idea, and counter the examples of why your idea is not needed, then please continue. Otherwise, this thread is pointless.
Kabark
Schilden
#20 - 2015-02-07 17:55:46 UTC
Alright easy enough. The benefit is the sorting option is self explanatory. It is just plain simple to have a sort by value option. Nuff said. Yes you can use the filters for anything. It is a very good tool. But it still takes time to set up filter options but it does not categorize the items by value highest to lowest or visa versa. I will gladly listen to any counter to this. There is really not a single legit reason not to have this and I think everyone is going way overboard with trying to bash it. *Right click, sort by, price high/low* It's not some major game changing design, it's truely simple and the only reason I can think of for people hating on it is because you have been using the filter so long that you would get butt hurt if they made an easy button. It does not in any way get rid of the value of the filter, it's still there and you can still use it. Don't use the sorting option then.
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