Player Features and Ideas Discussion

1M3 is 100 cm * 100cm * 100 cm = 1,000,000 cm3 volume.

.005 m3 per rocket = 200 rockets per M3.

1,000,000 cm3 / 200 rockets = 500 cm3 per rocket.

While it's still a laughably small volume to be "realistic", it's quite a bit more than half a centimeter.

I had no idea we were already cheating w/ super tiny magic ammo.

No to this idea (it's already rediculous)

In which case there's no consistency with drones, and no reinforcements of ship roles.

Or I should say that there is reinforcement of what you think a ships proper role should be, but since we have already established there are many fits that don't use ammo on hulls that can use ammo, it's a change that negatively impacts all the people that don't fit them the way you think they should be fitted.

A laser ship for example could have a smaller ammo bay. It's reinforcing it's role of laser ship. That's not a negative impact unless you want to deviate the ship from it's role, like people who used battleships to mine.

It's not about the way I think they should be fitted, it's about the ship's purpose. The ammo on a combat ship shouldn't have to compete with other types of cargo. The ship is meant for combat, therefore it MUST have space for ammo. It's not up to the pilot to choose that, it was built that way.

Wholeheartedly disagree.

Part of what make EVE so fun is that despite the "roles" that all ships have... you are not FORCED to fit/use it specifically "that way."

Some examples:

- I can fit a Vexor for Remote Repair duty. No weapons, no combat drones... just RR mods and RR drones.
I wouldn't be using any ammo aside from capacitor boosters... but, because my ammo bay is designed for holding hybrid charges, I cannot hold that many cap boosters to make the fit work. And I cannot transfer cap boosters between cargo and ammo bay... because that would defeat the whole purpose of an ammo bay in the first place.
So now the Vexor is limited to combat only... no "special" setups.
The same holds true for the Vexor Navy, Ishtar, Dominix, and Armageddon.

- I've used RR Confessors.

- I've seen Autocannon or Neut-fit Mallers. Anemic to no DPS... but they have a helluva tank and powerful capacitor.

- I have seen Tech 1 Industrial ships used for combat. Their strongest point is that they will NEVER run out of ammo or cap boosters... meaning that if they can find something they can engage, they can fight almost indefinitely.


Having to balance cargo vs. ammo for the fit of their choosing is definitely something players should have to consider before undocking. It is all about what tradeoffs you (not the system) are personally willing to make.

True, you can do that, but is your RR Vexor as effective as a RR Exequror? If you tell your FC you're going to be logi of a 50 men fleet with it what do you think his response will be?

Please explain to me how forcing a Dominix to have an ammo bay reinforces is role as a drone based combatant, or how a Neuting Curse role is reinforced by having an ammo bay. Or how an ammo bay helps reinforce a smartbombing Rohk.

"Combat" is a incredibly vague term that includes every type of combat regardless of if it uses ammo or not. Saying it is a "combat" ship and thus needs an ammo bay is a massive generalization and completely incorrect when it comes to many ships that often have no need for ammo whatsoever.

P.S: A Curse is the non cloaky Recon vessel. While it bay be called a Recon, nobody in their right mind uses one to perform reconnaissance.

I can't speak for everyone, but I don't do a lot of pre engagement pvp math. If I see a ship I can engage, then I do it. In all honesty, if someone is calculating the this and thats you mentioned, then he'll probably be zooming in and looking for blasters and rails and smell out your deception.

His exequror point is valid. Your 'sneeky RR vexor' isn't.

Possible and realistic are not synonyms.

I must say I think that an ammo bay would be super nice. (and i'll state it again and again.) it is limited to the balance that CCP can give the ship.

Lets take Frigates.
If they changed them to say
100-400m3 cargo
10-50m3 Ammo
5-50m3 Drone

Amounts would very depending on the ship.
i.e
Enyo - Cargo 100m3 - Ammo 50m3 - Drone 5m3
Ishkur- Cargo 150m3 - Ammo 25m3 - Drone 25-50m3 (skill based)

Not really all that relevant but this one needs some corrections.
Actually cargo space is a huge consideration in the design of modern war ships. Not cargo in the normal sense of hauling packages of stuff from a to be but cargo none the less.

A Nimitz class aircraft carrier holds roughly 3 million gallons of jet fuel and thousands of tons of food stuffs and other consumables needed by the crew and of course the ammo storage areas. All of this requires a rather large set of specialized cargo holds.

Your other example of an attack sub still has pretty massive cargo holds. When they set sail they have EVERYTHING the need for a 60 day deployment in storage. With a crew of roughly 100 people the food alone for 60 days would take up a significant amount of space.