Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I like this idea. It makes perfect sense as long as it's balanced.
The way to go is this and an ammo size rebalance. Increase size from every every ammo available so it's not worth to carry it on a small cargo bay and reduce the cargo space slightly to compensate for the new available space.
As a bonus we may get rockets with a feasible size.

+1 for specialized cargo compartments

Except that drone bay needs to be separate to prevent spawning a seemingly infinite spew of drones from ships with large cargobays.

Split bays into regular and ammo bays though removes player choice about what they want to bring.

Sometimes I may bring an entire cargo hold of ammo. Sometimes I may bring no ammo at all, but fill my entire cargo with drones, depots, paste, drugs, replacement modules, liquid ozone, etc.

So since CCP wont be magically adding new ammo bays without reducing the size of the old bays at least somewhat, I am 100% completely and totally opposed to this idea.

Not always true, lasers are better for some npc and worse for others. The best overall mission ships are the missile or drones ships with the ability to tailor you dmage type to the specific NPC.
But his is not always about what is best it is about what you enjoy flying so if you like laser boats please fly them.


True and drones are an excellent option for missions. The Rattlesnale and both Domis are excellent missions ships.


An excellent idea if you are into missions for standings. However if you are into them for fun or ISK then looting and salvage can be an excellent part of running missions.

I always found this to be the best option for missions. One fly a combat ship, pull the missions, kill them and book mark the rooms. The other can then follow the book marks and salvage/loot out the remains using a Noctis once the missions are turned in. To break boredom switch roles every few missions.
Another option would be to both fly the mission and then both switch to salvage/loot ships.

I am on the fence with your idea for ammo bays.
If the cargo holds could be set up so that weapons cannot draw from them, and you cannot transfer items from cargo to ammo hold then I cannot see how this would break the balance of any of the ships.

Ships will not lose a significant part of their cargo. They will gain a new dedicated ammo hold.

Ships with support roles uses less ammo unless they're solo, therefore they may have a smaller ammo hold, and a smaller or no cargohold reduction at all to compensate. Drone boats too, since their primary weapon system will not be compromised. The same goes for covert ops frigates. The Astero and Stratios are drone boats too, and their other weapon system is lasers, so no relevant cargo change is needed.

The major change would be for dedicated combat ships that would have the chunk of their cargo that used to carry ammo removed in favor of a dedicated ammo bay. The reason for that is a better organization of assets, the available volume for other things should not change significantly. None of the arguments presented in this thread is as practical as a dedicated ammo bay. The last thing you need during a combat situation is a clumsy inventory management.

You must be confusing the DST for something else, because it can not do what you are describing. Not even close.

So just a little eve history lesson. Many expansions ago, this ammo in the cargo hold problem was brought up often. CCP addressed the problem by making ammo 10X smaller. Yeah that's right, ammo used to be 10 times the size is it now. Whatever ammo problem you may be experiencing very small.

I'm not a big fan of RL analogies, but here's one. The current day attack submarine. A good amount of it's internal space is devoted the the storage, handling, aiming and shooting of primary weapon. Aircraft carriers - it's a big floating hangar with a big honking plane launch and retrieval area. Most current Navy vessels (ships you live in while on a mission) don't have a lot left after you take away their propulsion and shooty shooty. Cargo space isn't really a design priority.

How ships are built: Determine primary function (shoot hybrid ammo at stuff). Construct primary weapon system. Construct primary support systems around that. Add secondary support stuff (maybe a drone bay?). Add a propulsion system to get it to where it needs to be at the desired speed and what not. Add a place for the crew to eat sleep and work (no consideration for a tennis court). Add the minimum ammount of storage space for said ship to complete it's mission.

It's clear you want an ammo bay to free up some cargo space. I don't see you asking for the associated reductions in speed, agility, and hull integrity (hull HP) that would naturally go with said change.

I really don't have an opinion one way or the other, just a bit of history (I'm fairly confident on the 10x reduction, but couldn't find the ancient patch notes) and some thoughts on the costs of your request.

This change was made before specialized bays. Maybe if back then devs had the option to crank into every ship an specilized ammo bay, they'd prefer it to reduce ammo to ridiculous sizes.

A single rocket has half a cm btw.

In which case we are back to my position that if it's a give and take for cargo amounts, that a dedicated ammo bay is a direct nerf to people abilities to choose what they want to bring with them.

I also completely fail to see why a secondary bay that I need to click over to in order to check my ammo levels is a usability improvement or makes it easier for me to see what ammo I have at a glance as compared to it being in my normal cargo bay.

Opening up my cargo allows me to instantly check my ammo, boosters, paste, drugs, and all my other junk at the same time.

Why would I want to have to open up my cargo and looks at everything but ammo, then go and open up my ammo bay to check my ammo? Sure I could ignore the ammo bay and stuff everything in the main cargo so I don't have to take extra time clicking around midfight, but now I would have a smaller overall bay if I don't use it.

Unless the change increases the total amount of cargo space, I can see absolutely no use for a dedicated bay, and several downsides.

I still don't actually see any gameplay improvements mentioned as a reason here. There's all sorts of arguing over how it should be implemented, but there's a decided lack of WHY it should be implemented being talked about. The OP was some mission runner who was complaining about his inability to manage his own ammo in his cargo due to looting too much or not bringing enough ammo, but never actually proposed any why reasons. Neither of his problems would be solved with an ammo bay. Bads will still not remember to bring enough ammo. Bads will still loot all sorts of low value junk and then whine they cant hold everything. They will whine even more now that they have a smaller cargobay they can fill with mission loot junk.

This is what I replied to you before:Regardless of the OP motivations I think this is a great idea. Why? It makes the ammo system consistent with drones, wich will serve to reinforce ship roles. Plus it gives us a more organized inventory.

I can't actually believe you're serious about having trouble clicking on an icon just to check you ammo levels. If you're that worried about it you may just leave the cargo window opened.

Hold on a second. Are you proposing that you would have an ammo bay that you would be unable to load ammo into while in space? Because that's the reason that drones have a separate bay in the first place.