Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You have to catch them to shoot them.


So what you're saying is that a roam of, say, 10-20 recons or even cloaky tengus will have any problems at all getting in to a system, then safing up for a few hours or even coming back the next day and basically going on a ganking spree?


So what you're saying is that essentially speaking, carebears in nullsec are expected to expend a lot of energy to watch or even camp all gates and all wormhole entries of every system and run escort for every ratting, mining and PI ship.

Try it. You decloak. When I log out cloaked on one character and swap to another I always see the vessel uncloaked on DScan.

Based on you're description of your alleged assault I'm more convinced you've never seen the inside of a wormhole.

Ok, you are right, for some reason it decloak... ( it was not suposed to happen...=P) so it would be smarter to warp away from the directional scan as i told you... and log during warp...

So, What class of WH do you live on? C1? C2? do you never saw a capital fleet inside a WH C5 C6? What part of my history you are not buying? Wanna pictures from the siege? Wanna take a look at my Alliance KB? I bet ower play-style are realy different for you say such a thing.... What do you fly? ... Well, we all know that WH space is not all the same... every WH Class have different Play style...

Nope. It still requires vigilence. What I'm saying is that removing cloaked ships from local (or removing local itself) is a monumentally stupid idea, and everyone who propose this should be ashamed of themselves.

But just to summarize, this thread began with someone suggesting probes to find AFK cloaked ships. This breaks wormhole intel gathering (and general intel gathering), but that's solvable by making the probability dependent on whether the cloaked ship is running silent or not. This would let people afk cloak just fine if they run silently, yet let carebears get a heads up that there might be something coming if they're vigilant. Another suggestion has been for some way to make cloaked ships require to do something to stay cloaked for an extended period of time, which was rejected for "ruining long-term deployments" or "would just be botted".

And the counter proposals? Remove local, or remove cloaked ships from local, just to "remove the problem of afk cloakers". Which ends up with carebears having to camp all gates and all wormholes all day every day, and running mining and ratting/anoms with escorts, just in case something happens. Which in turn most likely means all but the hardiest carebears will go "**** this" and go back to hisec, if they don't just go "you know what, **** this, if I'm going to have this kind of risk, I might as well be in wormholes". Which also in turn means that nullsec will most likely be even less populous than before, which means that roaming gangs would start whining even more about how dead nullsec roaming is.

And somehow it's the ones wanting to fiddle with afk cloaking that "want to break the game".

Picking on my industrials killboard? Really? Sounds desperate. I build tengus on this one, I don't fly 'em.

Again, you're still missing the point. You break wormhole intel. Not everyone runs around haphazardly launching invasions into systems they don't know a damned thing about. To be honest, you're the first I heard of. We have people that will spend days and even weeks gathering proper intel. So your questionable example means little over actual experience.

By the way... if you live in a wormhole, why you so butthurt over afk cloakers? They don't affect us.

The fact is that they don't bother me at all, and i think that AFK Cloking is a valid tactic for harassment, also i only fly realy expensive stuff while i'm in fleet.

The point is that i think the game would be much more fun for us, with these 2 changes... A probe, to give the cloaked ship a little risk , so the Recon JOB, would really be a role in the game not just an AFK Alt role, and the remove from local to make the cloak thing more real. I realy think this is an improvement to the game...

BTW, despite we doing PVP and PVE, my corp is mostly industrial too, but we don't Produce T3 ships, we are mostly on the PI and mining, also T1 T2 and Capital ship production...

Of-course, there would be allot more of cloaked ships kills, and the T3 demand would rise... There would be more PVP and less care-bears and more T2 ships demand... and we both would profit with it...

Yes, because they're thinking of how much easier it'll be to gank, with no thoughts as to how it'll affect the rest of the game. Business as usual.


I don't give a **** if nullsec is dangerous (hey, what do you know? it actually is, saying it isn't multiple times doesn't make it less dangerous), because the only thing I do there is PI, and even that is a mere pittence versus what I make in hisec, and certainly compared to how little effort empire is.

There's a difference between "making it dangerous" and "making it so much work that most non-PVP guys will just go back to hisec". I'm sorry if you don't see the difference.

Ok, The solution:

The answer to everything

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the Cloak detection probe

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Don't allow the probe to work on WH-Space... (Make it Sov dependent)

Already you cant activate the cloak with other modules, due to its nature...
and putting the modules offline would be a nightmare...

But if you mean that there should be ways to avoid the probing there are some options:
- Allow to log-off without decloaking ( Since the ship is all turned off, no detection is possible )
- Allow to Overheat the cloaking module... it should give about 2 minutes to avoid the probing... ( And a failure on turning it off would be catastrophic =D )

I know, and don't you think that the ship would be useless after that? Well after decloaking you would have enough cap to activate 1 module... the Cyno gen... this would be the only reason for this ship... and this would be abusive...

although if you suggest a new type of ship, that have no modules but the covert cloak device and can't be detected by probes all the time, ... ( like a covert shuttle or something ) that would be Fun!