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Jazminum Conehead
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2015-02-06 07:47:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jazminum Conehead
He is right though. Information is power and advantage. Nothing is, 'unfair'.

Edit: And people will exploit any kind of power in many inventive and possibly sadistic ways that are allowed here.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#22 - 2015-02-06 07:58:57 UTC
The problem here is that CCP called the mechanic "duel" in the first place. The name is broken, not the game mechanic.

Evil RatKid
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
#23 - 2015-02-06 07:59:16 UTC
embrel wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:


Define reasonable.

I believe recording log in log out times of people who frequent my local is reasonable.
I believe d-scanning gates when some one new appears in local is reasonable.
I believe checking corporate history of everyone in local is reasonable.
I believe checking killboard history of everyone who appears in local is reasonable.



Ah, that's why you've never left Jita?


I think he would have ahard time checking the corporate history and killboards for everyone in Jita all the time. This advice should be valid everywhere but the tradehubs.
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2015-02-06 08:23:45 UTC
embrel wrote:



Ah, that's why you've never left Jita?



Yes it is taking longer than I had anticipated to build up my database on this particular system.
Serene Repose
#25 - 2015-02-06 13:17:16 UTC
embrel wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
There are no fair fights in EVE. Get better intel on you target so you can anticipate and counter the tricks he is pulling.

How does one gather intel on whether or not someone has had neutral RR during a previous duel? Is there a right click "get info" on that someplace?

Seriously, eve is about making decisions. Making decisions requires information. If there is no reasonable way to get that information, then maybe game mechanics need to be changed to make the information available, or make it unnecessary.


Define reasonable.

I believe recording log in log out times of people who frequent my local is reasonable.
I believe d-scanning gates when some one new appears in local is reasonable.
I believe checking corporate history of everyone in local is reasonable.
I believe checking killboard history of everyone who appears in local is reasonable.



Ah, that's why you've never left Jita?
If you were doing that in Jita yeah, you'd STILL be there.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#26 - 2015-02-06 13:43:14 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
dueling already exists. drop a can and trust to your opponents sense of honor to uphold the terms of the duel. Much more realistic then a forced dueling mechanism.


I think you may have failed to notice something in the devblogs like 2 years ago or so.

www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com

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RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2015-02-06 17:17:31 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
A fair fight in Eve is accepting that you are "N" and your opponent is always capable of bringing "N+1" so you should strive to always be able to field "N+2" but be ready for them to put out "N+3" so just for safe measure you should keep "N+10" ready and always be able to laugh when "N+200" appears on grid.



That my friend is EVE in a nutshell!!!!!! I couldn't have said it any better myself +1

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#28 - 2015-02-06 23:15:57 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
There are no fair fights in EVE. Get better intel on you target so you can anticipate and counter the tricks he is pulling.

How does one gather intel on whether or not someone has had neutral RR during a previous duel? Is there a right click "get info" on that someplace?

Seriously, eve is about making decisions. Making decisions requires information. If there is no reasonable way to get that information, then maybe game mechanics need to be changed to make the information available, or make it unnecessary.




There you go.

And therefore, without that information, the correct decision to make is not to duel. End of story, content does not happen because "anything to be leet".

It should be possible that when someone challenges you to a duel, you should be able to pull up information on how many corpies they got in the system. One might imagine that the challenger should have this information, but a challenger has time on his hands and can do this before he makes the challenge. The Challengee, taking the same "right click on everybody in local" measure is going to look stupid taking a long time to respond.

There is simply not enough time for someone who is not a full time duelist - meaning that we are just one hair away from "area play" anyway.



Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Paranoid Loyd
#29 - 2015-02-06 23:24:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The Challengee, taking the same "right click on everybody in local" measure is going to look stupid taking a long time to respond.

There is simply not enough time for someone who is not a full time duelist - meaning that we are just one hair away from "area play" anyway.

Open info window on who is proposing the duel, click on corp logo, mark corp as contact, see results in local. Takes two seconds to find out which corpies are in system.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
SpoonRECKLESS
Beach Boys
The Minions.
#30 - 2015-02-06 23:46:36 UTC
Hemoroids wrote:
On several occasions I have both been invited and have invited other
players to duel. I don't see the point of having a duel if the
opponents fleet or corp members can just jump in and help with armor and
shield reppers. I really enjoy the the game but pvp play seems to be open
for improvement. Is there any way to ensure a fair duel or do I just need
to adapt my style of play?




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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#31 - 2015-02-07 00:34:46 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The Challengee, taking the same "right click on everybody in local" measure is going to look stupid taking a long time to respond.

There is simply not enough time for someone who is not a full time duelist - meaning that we are just one hair away from "area play" anyway.

Open info window on who is proposing the duel, click on corp logo, mark corp as contact, see results in local. Takes two seconds to find out which corpies are in system.




I take it your additional knowledge comes from being... paranoid?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#32 - 2015-02-07 00:59:33 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
The problem here is that CCP called the mechanic "duel" in the first place. The name is broken, not the game mechanic.
Please feel free to start a thread in Features & Ideas Discussion with a proposal to change the name to a more apropriate one. Like 'Brawl'...Blink

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#33 - 2015-02-07 01:04:09 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
change the name to a more apropriate one. Like 'Brawl'...Blink


Oooh, walking in stations content: bar fights. \o/

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#34 - 2015-02-07 03:29:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Concord Guy's Cousin
admiral root wrote:
ISD Ezwal wrote:
change the name to a more apropriate one. Like 'Brawl'...Blink


Oooh, walking in stations content: bar fights. \o/
With blackjack and hookers.

Seriously though...

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Paranoid Loyd
#35 - 2015-02-07 04:11:40 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
The problem here is that CCP called the mechanic "duel" in the first place. The name is broken, not the game mechanic.
Please feel free to start a thread in Features & Ideas Discussion with a proposal to change the name to a more apropriate one. Like 'Brawl'...Blink

How about Ackbar?

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2015-02-07 04:14:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ned Thomas
No, the name of a "duel" is not a problem. A duel means you are agreeing to go up against a single player. That player will have a large swath of tactics available to them, regardless of how those tactics are implemented. You will have every one of those tactics available to you as well. The outcome of the fight will depend on who uses the tools better.

EDIT: And yes, someone else using alts to boost/rep/etc. is a tactic. You should expect it, and you should do it yourself. You are fighting a player. Be a player in response.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#37 - 2015-02-07 09:45:50 UTC
With the removal of the Incursus hull lance, dueling has lost it's touch. Buff dueling, add back the lance.

There are all our dominion

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Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#38 - 2015-02-07 10:20:58 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
A fair fight in Eve is accepting that you are "N" and your opponent is always capable of bringing "N+1" so you should strive to always be able to field "N+2" but be ready for them to put out "N+3" so just for safe measure you should keep "N+10" ready and always be able to laugh when "N+200" appears on grid.

this
Joan Miles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2015-02-07 11:27:56 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
The problem here is that CCP called the mechanic "duel" in the first place. The name is broken, not the game mechanic.



Holly actual space balls! A major "Why didn't I think of that" moment. Well spotted and said agent.

Hell maybe the CODE really always wins. Pirate ... Oh wait I'm supposed to hate you.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#40 - 2015-02-07 11:28:37 UTC
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
With the removal of the Incursus hull lance, dueling has lost it's touch. Buff dueling, add back the lance.

SAVE THE LANCE!

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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