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Questions about where to live and hunt

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RedHair Shankz
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2015-02-02 12:38:44 UTC
It can trap any unwelcome visitors within rangeof your POS's guns.

Courage, above all things, is the first quality of a warrior.

Abraham Vyacheslav
Doomheim
#22 - 2015-02-02 20:01:29 UTC
Full Metal Jackie, I just went through a similar process myself - so I have some tips, but with the caveat that I'm still learning myself:

(1) On POS set up, jammers are good, but much of the advice suggesting you prioritize them while building a "d1ckstar" is out of date. We're living in the age of drones - if you don't ALSO have a bevy of guns, your POS is exceedingly vulnerable to ishtar and/or dominix fleets. On a related note, advice about POS resistances is also out of date - resist modules suffer from stacking penalties, so there's no point to fitting more than 2 or 3 of any given type.

(2) On location, I've found C4s to be quite quiet and often unoccupied, while C2s with a hisec connection are almost 100% occupied (the last one I found empty, amusingly enough, had a C4 static...). I've also noticed C4s seem to have many fewer random connections to K-space than other wormholes - I find holes to null regularly in C5s and holes to all classes of space regularly in C2/C3s, but C4s seem disproportionately connected to wormholes. If you're planning to hunt elsewhere anyway, low traffic in your home hole might not be the end of the world. Blowing up herons gets old fast.
Jayze Severasse
Divided by Zer0
#23 - 2015-02-03 01:01:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayze Severasse
Newt BlackCompany wrote:
Good idea. Perhaps also spend the time traveling the c2 highway (C2 holes with C2 statics) and search for your 'perfect' home wh. It will give you lots of practice with scanning which is so critical in wh's.

Also, unless you plan on camping the hisec exit, there's an art to catching wholers unawares using probes. Practice trying to get their location nailed using just the dscan, and if you can get it close enough, then you can often lock their position with a single scan of the combat probes. If you are quick, they maybe won't see your probes and you can get the jump on them.

Good luck!




Good info for sure. +1
Furthermore Jackie, if a venus fly trap is what you want, make sure to look at the anoms too...that's your bait.

If you have all the sites scanned down you can binary dscan (using only dscan, probe scan (for anom listings no probes out), and switching your overview between pvp and plantes/warpables (use overview settings in dscan) ) to find them and have a scout get eyes on em and pounce without a single probe deployed.

The amusement even when you're a %100 passive insta-warper is real...it's hilarious to mess with peoples heads in clever ways Shocked
Full Metal Jackie
Defining Harassment
#24 - 2015-02-03 01:29:43 UTC
Jayze Severasse wrote:
Newt BlackCompany wrote:
Good idea. Perhaps also spend the time traveling the c2 highway (C2 holes with C2 statics) and search for your 'perfect' home wh. It will give you lots of practice with scanning which is so critical in wh's.

Also, unless you plan on camping the hisec exit, there's an art to catching wholers unawares using probes. Practice trying to get their location nailed using just the dscan, and if you can get it close enough, then you can often lock their position with a single scan of the combat probes. If you are quick, they maybe won't see your probes and you can get the jump on them.

Good luck!




Good info for sure. +1
Furthermore Jackie, if a venus fly trap is what you want, make sure to look at the anoms too...that's your bait.

If you have all the sites scanned down you can binary dscan (using only dscan, probe scan (for anom listings no probes out), and switching your overview between pvp and plantes/warpables (use overview settings in dscan) ) to find them and have a scout get eyes on em and pounce without a single probe deployed.

The amusement even when you're a %100 passive insta-warper is real...it's hilarious to mess with peoples heads in clever ways Shocked

Yeah, I'm very hopeful and patient that I'll find my new home soon. I have both my main and alt in different wormholes scoping it out. It's glaringly obvious that any good P2 hole with half-decent PI is going to be occupied. Short spending an arm and a leg on mercenaries, I'm wondering how I can chase them out of the hole. I guess I will just play the long-game and harass them.
Jayze Severasse
Divided by Zer0
#25 - 2015-02-03 02:00:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayze Severasse
Full Metal Jackie wrote:
Jayze Severasse wrote:
Newt BlackCompany wrote:
Good idea. Perhaps also spend the time traveling the c2 highway (C2 holes with C2 statics) and search for your 'perfect' home wh. It will give you lots of practice with scanning which is so critical in wh's.

Also, unless you plan on camping the hisec exit, there's an art to catching wholers unawares using probes. Practice trying to get their location nailed using just the dscan, and if you can get it close enough, then you can often lock their position with a single scan of the combat probes. If you are quick, they maybe won't see your probes and you can get the jump on them.

Good luck!




Good info for sure. +1
Furthermore Jackie, if a venus fly trap is what you want, make sure to look at the anoms too...that's your bait.

If you have all the sites scanned down you can binary dscan (using only dscan, probe scan (for anom listings no probes out), and switching your overview between pvp and plantes/warpables (use overview settings in dscan) ) to find them and have a scout get eyes on em and pounce without a single probe deployed.

The amusement even when you're a %100 passive insta-warper is real...it's hilarious to mess with peoples heads in clever ways Shocked

Yeah, I'm very hopeful and patient that I'll find my new home soon. I have both my main and alt in different wormholes scoping it out. It's glaringly obvious that any good P2 hole with half-decent PI is going to be occupied. Short spending an arm and a leg on mercenaries, I'm wondering how I can chase them out of the hole. I guess I will just play the long-game and harass them.


Prepare to be hated....but, you can sleep in there, make numerous safes, jump around reload probes, mess with them, leave probes out...find the hisec and BM it. Move probes around...just confuse the **** out of them...then when bored of that, go out the hisec and broadcast their hole :D
Over and over...that may work....**** move tho Twisted

P.S. Don't get on my list Blink
My maps never get deleted...I will find you....

P.P.S Also a common kspace mistake I notice is BMing the sig and not the actual hole...BM with eyes on the actual hole. (do this same thing on gates when blockade breaking)
Full Metal Jackie
Defining Harassment
#26 - 2015-02-03 02:31:49 UTC
Jayze Severasse wrote:
Full Metal Jackie wrote:
Jayze Severasse wrote:
Newt BlackCompany wrote:
Good idea. Perhaps also spend the time traveling the c2 highway (C2 holes with C2 statics) and search for your 'perfect' home wh. It will give you lots of practice with scanning which is so critical in wh's.

Also, unless you plan on camping the hisec exit, there's an art to catching wholers unawares using probes. Practice trying to get their location nailed using just the dscan, and if you can get it close enough, then you can often lock their position with a single scan of the combat probes. If you are quick, they maybe won't see your probes and you can get the jump on them.

Good luck!




Good info for sure. +1
Furthermore Jackie, if a venus fly trap is what you want, make sure to look at the anoms too...that's your bait.

If you have all the sites scanned down you can binary dscan (using only dscan, probe scan (for anom listings no probes out), and switching your overview between pvp and plantes/warpables (use overview settings in dscan) ) to find them and have a scout get eyes on em and pounce without a single probe deployed.

The amusement even when you're a %100 passive insta-warper is real...it's hilarious to mess with peoples heads in clever ways Shocked

Yeah, I'm very hopeful and patient that I'll find my new home soon. I have both my main and alt in different wormholes scoping it out. It's glaringly obvious that any good P2 hole with half-decent PI is going to be occupied. Short spending an arm and a leg on mercenaries, I'm wondering how I can chase them out of the hole. I guess I will just play the long-game and harass them.


Prepare to be hated....but, you can sleep in there, make numerous safes, jump around reload probes, mess with them, leave probes out...find the hisec and BM it. Move probes around...just confuse the **** out of them...then when bored of that, go out the hisec and broadcast their hole :D
Over and over...that may work....**** move tho Twisted

P.S. Don't get on my list Blink
My maps never get deleted...I will find you....

P.P.S Also a common kspace mistake I notice is BMing the sig and not the actual hole...BM with eyes on the actual hole. (do this same thing on gates when blockade breaking)

Found a hole that met all my requirements, but the locals had small towers anchored on each moon. Good way to c*** block smaller corps and solo'ers from setting up shop in there.

I don't mind being hated. I actually prefer playing the villain in most cases.
Mar5hy
BLOPSEC
#27 - 2015-02-03 03:29:00 UTC
We are looking for active WH PvPers.

We live in K-space and dive into holes around the area.

We also have a WH with a static LS where PI can be setup / sites to be run.

We are mainly EU based but have a few US peeps. Let me know if interested.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#28 - 2015-02-03 13:38:21 UTC
C2 as the home system is not so useful if you hope to kill the explorers coming from hisec. You will only catch the really dumb ones, because everyone can easily see from the killboard that you live and regularly kill in that system. Then they watch-list you, see that you are online, and it's clear that you are just waiting for them to warp into a site.

Much better is a c4 that has a c2 static, plus a c1 or c3. That way you will also always have access to a c2 and/or c1, but it will be every day a different one so people cannot expect you there.

Security is not lower in a c4 than in a c2, if anything it's higher because for invaders it would be additional hassle to manage logistics into a c4 instead of a c2 with constant easy hisec connection. There are enough empty c4s so the chances that a big corp will come to take your space are miniscule unless you claimed a system with a rare and coveted combination of statics and system effect.

It is however quite likely that one day another solo or very small corp will set up a tower in your system because they think you are no threat. Then it's up to you to prove them wrong. In such situations, it is usually not feasible for either side to destroy the opponent's POS. Instead, you should just camp and harass them until they realize their mistake and retreat. Most such corps are bears so they will pack and leave after you have killed them a couple times. It's of course important to suspend your own bearing ops to not give them kills.

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#29 - 2015-02-03 13:49:07 UTC
Full Metal Jackie wrote:
Found a hole that met all my requirements, but the locals had small towers anchored on each moon. Good way to c*** block smaller corps and solo'ers from setting up shop in there.

I don't mind being hated. I actually prefer playing the villain in most cases.


Small anchored towers only take an acceptable amount of time to siege with even a single AFK-oracle.
Full Metal Jackie
Defining Harassment
#30 - 2015-02-03 14:48:53 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
C2 as the home system is not so useful if you hope to kill the explorers coming from hisec. You will only catch the really dumb ones, because everyone can easily see from the killboard that you live and regularly kill in that system. Then they watch-list you, see that you are online, and it's clear that you are just waiting for them to warp into a site.

Much better is a c4 that has a c2 static, plus a c1 or c3. That way you will also always have access to a c2 and/or c1, but it will be every day a different one so people cannot expect you there.

Security is not lower in a c4 than in a c2, if anything it's higher because for invaders it would be additional hassle to manage logistics into a c4 instead of a c2 with constant easy hisec connection. There are enough empty c4s so the chances that a big corp will come to take your space are miniscule unless you claimed a system with a rare and coveted combination of statics and system effect.

It is however quite likely that one day another solo or very small corp will set up a tower in your system because they think you are no threat. Then it's up to you to prove them wrong. In such situations, it is usually not feasible for either side to destroy the opponent's POS. Instead, you should just camp and harass them until they realize their mistake and retreat. Most such corps are bears so they will pack and leave after you have killed them a couple times. It's of course important to suspend your own bearing ops to not give them kills.

That actually makes a lot of sense. Is there some website that breaks down kills according to wh classification? It would be interesting to see some statistics on that.
Full Metal Jackie
Defining Harassment
#31 - 2015-02-03 14:53:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Full Metal Jackie
Lloyd Roses wrote:
[quote=Full Metal Jackie]Found a hole that met all my requirements, but the locals had small towers anchored on each moon. Good way to c*** block smaller corps and solo'ers from setting up shop in there.

I don't mind being hated. I actually prefer playing the villain in most cases.


I definitely wouldn't mind setting some time aside to solo bash for my future home. You used the word acceptable so I'm thinking a few hours?

On a related note, how "acceptable" would it be to remove a poco in that same oracle?

Isnt there a specific wormhole that null sec residents look for when they need to plugin their system upgrades? I'm pretty sure they can only fit in a freighter. I may be wrong, but that could be something good to find and hunt in.
Kirasten
Perkone
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-02-04 04:41:44 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Jayze Severasse wrote:
I disagree, pretty sure a C4 with a lowsec static is what would bring you most fun/pvp action...

I'll take things that don't exist for 200 Bob!
Let's also follow that up with People Who Know Nothing About WHs and Insist of Posting a Ton on the WH Forums for 300.

OP, you should live in a C2 with HS and a C1, C3 or C4 static.
Alternatively, if you want better wspace access, live in a C4 with a C1-3 static and something else. You'll still have plenty of kspace access though your low class static.

PS: mass on C4s and C2s is identical.


I almost fell out of my chair, laughing. Thank you Jack.

Perhaps there should be a guideline that people answering questions about wormholes actually have had to log X amount of time actually playing in them.
Newt BlackCompany
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2015-02-04 06:57:18 UTC
Full Metal Jackie wrote:


I definitely wouldn't mind setting some time aside to solo bash for my future home. You used the word acceptable so I'm thinking a few hours?

On a related note, how "acceptable" would it be to remove a poco in that same oracle?

Isnt there a specific wormhole that null sec residents look for when they need to plugin their system upgrades? I'm pretty sure they can only fit in a freighter. I may be wrong, but that could be something good to find and hunt in.


It takes about 3-4 hours to solo bash a poco in an oracle + myrmidon. Very boring, go to sleep, expect to get afk podded, so plan ahead. That said, those ships are cheap.

Can't upgrade wh systems.
Full Metal Jackie
Defining Harassment
#34 - 2015-02-04 07:16:49 UTC
Newt BlackCompany wrote:
Full Metal Jackie wrote:


I definitely wouldn't mind setting some time aside to solo bash for my future home. You used the word acceptable so I'm thinking a few hours?

On a related note, how "acceptable" would it be to remove a poco in that same oracle?

Isnt there a specific wormhole that null sec residents look for when they need to plugin their system upgrades? I'm pretty sure they can only fit in a freighter. I may be wrong, but that could be something good to find and hunt in.


It takes about 3-4 hours to solo bash a poco in an oracle + myrmidon. Very boring, go to sleep, expect to get afk podded, so plan ahead. That said, those ships are cheap.

Can't upgrade wh systems.

Oh, I know you can't upgrade wormholes. What I was talking about was null sec entities using wormholes as shortcuts when using a freighter to bring in an upgrade.

1c3crysta1
Silent Majority.
Aspartame.
#35 - 2015-02-06 12:35:26 UTC
Full Metal Jackie wrote:

Oh, I know you can't upgrade wormholes. What I was talking about was null sec entities using wormholes as shortcuts when using a freighter to bring in an upgrade.



A freighter can't get into anything short of a C5-system because of the 20 or 300mil ton mass restriction on ALL wormholes coming or going to anything below class 5-system. More info on that here: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Wormholes
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