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Hemoroids
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-02-06 01:04:18 UTC
On several occasions I have both been invited and have invited other
players to duel. I don't see the point of having a duel if the
opponents fleet or corp members can just jump in and help with armor and
shield reppers. I really enjoy the the game but pvp play seems to be open
for improvement. Is there any way to ensure a fair duel or do I just need
to adapt my style of play?
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#2 - 2015-02-06 01:08:09 UTC
There are no fair fights in EVE. Get better intel on you target so you can anticipate and counter the tricks he is pulling.
Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2015-02-06 01:13:02 UTC
Honor has no place in Eve. Always plan accordingly.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#4 - 2015-02-06 01:31:15 UTC
The only fair fight in EVE is the one you win. Then there are just the other fights you weren't fast enough to get away from. Art imitating life.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#5 - 2015-02-06 02:20:49 UTC
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
There are no fair fights in EVE. Get better intel on you target so you can anticipate and counter the tricks he is pulling.

How does one gather intel on whether or not someone has had neutral RR during a previous duel? Is there a right click "get info" on that someplace?

Seriously, eve is about making decisions. Making decisions requires information. If there is no reasonable way to get that information, then maybe game mechanics need to be changed to make the information available, or make it unnecessary.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#6 - 2015-02-06 02:28:44 UTC
People go into duels without a booster and friendly RR?

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#7 - 2015-02-06 02:32:14 UTC
admiral root wrote:
People go into duels without a booster and friendly RR?

they do when they're not aware of yoursBlink

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#8 - 2015-02-06 02:47:13 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
admiral root wrote:
People go into duels without a booster and friendly RR?

they do when they're not aware of yoursBlink


I guess that makes them ugly *and* stupid. Big smile

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-02-06 02:59:04 UTC
A fair fight in Eve is accepting that you are "N" and your opponent is always capable of bringing "N+1" so you should strive to always be able to field "N+2" but be ready for them to put out "N+3" so just for safe measure you should keep "N+10" ready and always be able to laugh when "N+200" appears on grid.
Paranoid Loyd
#10 - 2015-02-06 02:59:20 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
There are no fair fights in EVE. Get better intel on you target so you can anticipate and counter the tricks he is pulling.

How does one gather intel on whether or not someone has had neutral RR during a previous duel? Is there a right click "get info" on that someplace?

Seriously, eve is about making decisions. Making decisions requires information. If there is no reasonable way to get that information, then maybe game mechanics need to be changed to make the information available, or make it unnecessary.


The information is available through observation. I know who all the baiters are in my area and I know who their logi are.

Eve is also about patience and knowing your enemy so that good decisions can be made. There is no need to make the info available in some arbitrary way. Anyone who goes into a fight without knowing their enemy is asking for an unpleasant surprise.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Serene Repose
#11 - 2015-02-06 03:06:26 UTC
Honor has as much a place here as anywhere else. The same proportion of those without honor are here as anywhere else. Those who would have themselves unchallenged, or unjudged for lack of it say the same things here as they do everywhere else. And, yes, they are taken as seriously by serious-minded and capable people here, as they are...anywhere else.

TYVM. Have a nice day. AND, if you see a certain paranoid individual in a system with you, don't stop and wave.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-02-06 03:18:05 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
There are no fair fights in EVE. Get better intel on you target so you can anticipate and counter the tricks he is pulling.

How does one gather intel on whether or not someone has had neutral RR during a previous duel? Is there a right click "get info" on that someplace?

Seriously, eve is about making decisions. Making decisions requires information. If there is no reasonable way to get that information, then maybe game mechanics need to be changed to make the information available, or make it unnecessary.


Define reasonable.

I believe recording log in log out times of people who frequent my local is reasonable.
I believe d-scanning gates when some one new appears in local is reasonable.
I believe checking corporate history of everyone in local is reasonable.
I believe checking killboard history of everyone who appears in local is reasonable.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2015-02-06 03:35:59 UTC
dueling already exists. drop a can and trust to your opponents sense of honor to uphold the terms of the duel. Much more realistic then a forced dueling mechanism.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#14 - 2015-02-06 03:37:17 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
How does one gather intel on whether or not someone has had neutral RR during a previous duel? Is there a right click "get info" on that someplace?

Seriously, eve is about making decisions. Making decisions requires information. If there is no reasonable way to get that information, then maybe game mechanics need to be changed to make the information available, or make it unnecessary.

Just sit on grid and watch.

That's all you need to do to know whether they have reps, who they are, whether they dock and undock in bigger ships, etc.

Even yellow box them during a dual and see how they tank. Look at their ship and see what their guns are, what's their speed, etc.

Lots of intel can be gathered just by sitting on grid and watching.
Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#15 - 2015-02-06 05:04:46 UTC
Use the broken OP ecm jammas on an alt to jam their logi when they go suspect for repping a player with limited engaument?

It does suck for solo players, makes ya have alts but its cool. If they arent smart you can prob blow the logi too.
Raiz Nhell
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-02-06 05:07:18 UTC
A fair fight can go either way...

That is no way to go into a fight...
You really need to stack the deck in your favour...


There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#17 - 2015-02-06 05:30:47 UTC
Why even accept duels? Just go to lowsec, somebody will fight you without asking permission first.
Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#18 - 2015-02-06 05:48:39 UTC
Harrison Tato wrote:
Why even accept duels? Just go to lowsec, somebody will fight you without asking permission first.


2 days ago was stalking some war targets killing time asking anyone thar undocked to duel. A freaking covetor accepted, then continued to warp to the belt. He must have had a bookmark cuz when i followed him to belt he was real far away. I then afterburn like 50k over to him, then blow him and pod for over 65mill.
Dude said "uhhh whoops ment to click no. This aint fair"

Lol seriously i get a lot of kills just duel spamming. If they cant read the "u mat die, ARE YOU SURE? U COULD DIE U KNOE, BE careful! U super duper sure u wanna duel??" And click yes/hit enter, game on, i win. Loser
Another Posting Alt
Zerious Fricken Biziness
#19 - 2015-02-06 05:49:20 UTC
I hear that the dishonest meanies can't shoot your ship in Hello Kitty Online. Maybe try there.
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#20 - 2015-02-06 07:31:06 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
There are no fair fights in EVE. Get better intel on you target so you can anticipate and counter the tricks he is pulling.

How does one gather intel on whether or not someone has had neutral RR during a previous duel? Is there a right click "get info" on that someplace?

Seriously, eve is about making decisions. Making decisions requires information. If there is no reasonable way to get that information, then maybe game mechanics need to be changed to make the information available, or make it unnecessary.


Define reasonable.

I believe recording log in log out times of people who frequent my local is reasonable.
I believe d-scanning gates when some one new appears in local is reasonable.
I believe checking corporate history of everyone in local is reasonable.
I believe checking killboard history of everyone who appears in local is reasonable.



Ah, that's why you've never left Jita?
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